Corey Leff: 00:00 With me today is Kyle Turley, eight year NFL veteran turned CBD entrepreneur. Kyle, thanks for joining me. It's great to be here. I appreciate you having me. So you've launched a CBD medical marijuana company, neuro XPF. Why don't you just tell us a little bit about the venture?
Kyle Turley: : 00:15 Well, uh, started my company about four years ago. We were originally, uh, neuro armor. Uh, we sold about a million dollars worth of CBD and under armor came after us so we had to rebrand and, uh, I needed to keep the name neuro, we can get into that. But, uh, we came up with XPF as extreme performance fuel. Um, and so for the last two plus years now, we've been under that and neuro XPF has, uh, gone on to sell almost $10 million worth of CPD and, um, continued to innovate in the space. You know, it was very important to me and from my personal experience of what I have had happen to me because of this, um, you know, wanting to get that out to the public.
Corey Leff: 00:55 The neuro piece is interesting because I think when people talk about CBD, most are associating it with pain management. Uh, you hurt your shoulder, your rub a little CBD oil on it and your shoulder feels better, but you're talking about something different. Uh, talk about the, the neurological component. Well, uh,
Kyle Turley: : 01:11 actually it all, it all is about the same thing cause it all goes back to the brain. You know, everything, a Vicodin that aspirin, there's no Vicodin system, there's no aspirin system. There's none of these things. There is a cannabinoid system and it's in the center of your brain as it turns out. Uh, and so, uh, if you understand this, then you understand that it regulates everything in your body from pain management to neurological issues. And you know, that for me was the biggest charge in this because of what I saw it do for me. Uh, on the neurological side. Um, uh, I was experiencing vertigo constantly, migraine headaches off the charts that were spawning into the, uh, you know, vertigo episodes, hospitalized multiple times, post football career, had seizures, all of these things. And for five years now that I've discovered cannabis, uh, I have not had one episode of vertigo. I don't take any pills, not an aspirin, not an Aleve. Um, and that's strictly through understanding the cannabinoid system. Uh, and that's what the conversation needs to be about. Uh, you've said that
Corey Leff: 02:15 over your nine year, your NFL career, eight playing, uh, that you had upwards of a hundred concussions. Uh, how did you go about managing, you know, not just the physical pain from the, from the head injuries, but all of the other injuries you get? You went about, uh, you know, you experienced sure. I
Kyle Turley: : 02:31 mean, you know, play in the NFL is one can imagine a, it's quite an accomplishment that comes at a great price. Uh, the pain and all the issues from the injuries is very real. So, uh, in trying to search for pain management issue, uh, resolutions, uh, you go to the doctor and the doctor gives you all these pills. And so for 20 plus years of playing football, um, you know, from high school through college and NFL, um, I was on a regimen of pills to deal with these things. And so, well, uh, you know, obviously it starts low when you get into ibuprofen and then you get into Vicodin and then you get into Percocet, Lorde tabs and Darvocet and all these other things. And then it a, your nap person's your um, you know, uh, I forget a lot of the names because they're so crazy, you know, I mean every from sleep AIDS to muscle relaxers, antiinflammatories painkillers then into post football career of dealing with psych medications.
Kyle Turley: : 03:31 Um, because of the neurological issues, uh, the regimen of pills was how you dealt with it. Um, and um, otherwise you just had to live with it, live with the pain, live with the, the outcome of, of concussions and all these other things. You know, I didn't, uh, I did not play, I didn't play football tells to senior in high school. Uh, people think, wow, that's crazy. Um, that I made it so far. I was a wrestler. So there makes sense. But luckily I didn't because of all this brain damage, but I didn't play football because of concussions. I didn't play football because my friends were getting broken arms, broken legs, blown their knees out and all these other things. So, you know, football and other sports, uh, in contact world, uh, it's imperative that we address these injuries and these things properly. And unfortunately for 20 years I wasn't doing that.
Kyle Turley: : 04:19 How many pills were you taking at a time during your NFL career and where are you getting them from, from doctors? You know, that's the, the quickest answer. I mean, I, I'm, you know, at a time there was illegal outlets that were really wide open, but even still, those came from doctors. You know, I talk about it. I have one time I bought 5,000 Vicodin. Um, you know, this was before the rush Limbaugh exposure where he got busted for that, but this was going on all over the place. And, you know, I came into that meeting to be able to do that through doctors and that were willing to compromise their, uh, you know, uh, licenses and everything else because it was so easy and they could get their hands on thousands of pills. And you know, when you're getting millions of dollars and you go, Oh, you know, I really like these Vicodin, I'm going to need them the rest of my life.
Kyle Turley: : 05:09 You go, I'm going to get stocked up on these. You know, it was crazy existence. It was a unbelievable experience. Uh, uh, one that, uh, uh, I hope to forget as I'm forgetting many things. Are the doctors prescribing these team doctors? Yes. Again, it starts out with going to see your doctor and as an NFL or player, an athlete in general, that's your team doctor. I mean, I was concussed severely in a game, um, in st Louis playing for the Rams. Uh, the team let me go. Uh, they had to wake me up off the field. They let me go with my wife after the game. They just kept me there. I should have went to the hospital. My wife was terrified. She took me to the hospital, um, because of how scared she was, the doctors in that environment unbelievably, um, alarmed at what they saw with my brain after scanning what had happened.
Kyle Turley: : 06:00 Um, and then shortly after the general manager and team da team doctors got ahold of me and I was out of that hospital. I never talked to those doctors again and they were never the team. Doctors were never concerned with my concussions. After that, I was back into practice, uh, two days later and participate in the next contest. We saw there was a unfortunate and untimely death of angels, pitcher Tyler Scags. Um, related to opiate use. How prevalent is opiate use in professional sports? Um, how prevalent is, uh, addiction to opiate use in professional sports? Yeah, that was a, that's a tough one. I'm an angels fan. I'm from Southern California, so, um, you know, have, having that happen in our backyard. I was at my son's little league game or practice rather. All the parents were there. And as soon as it hit the wire, uh, about that, uh, I just said, I knew it and everybody was around me.
Kyle Turley: : 06:52 Like, what do you mean? You know, like what happened? I was like, I'll tell you exactly what happened. He's a veteran player. Okay. He's had an injury status, which he did. He's on the road right now and he's about to start in a game the next day. So I know what comes along with that, especially if you're dealing with these team doctors. And that comes with a muscle relaxer, a painkiller and a sleep aid. And then he likely went out to dinner that night and had a couple of cocktails with somebody on the team or otherwise, uh, any went to sleep and he didn't wake up. And that's the unfortunate story that's happening too much in our community. Uh, in general, uh, you know, athletes aside, uh, you know, opiates are ravaging our communities with these scenarios. Not addiction, not addiction. They're now trying to blame this guy who gave him the pills.
Kyle Turley: : 07:43 You know, this is in every locker room in America from high school to the pros where to, to my kid's elementary school where teachers are saying, you know, your kid has a problem. We should, we should you they have a pill for that. Like literally people are saying this to some of the parents that we know at my elementary school. So, um, unfortunately Skaggs case was not unique. It's very common and unfortunately I've lost multiple friends to the same scenario. Uh, you think it's common that team officials are supplying players with opiates? You can go back to, you know, story after story where this has come about. Again, we can go back to the team that I played for the new Orleans saints and their scandal, uh, with the coaching staffs having literally a jar of candy, uh, that you could open up the cupboard and take pills out. Um, painkillers, muscle relaxers, sleep AIDS, all these things that killed Tyler Scags and killed my friend Norman Han and Kevin Mitchell. And these other, uh, you know, guys that PO sag Pula, the tele, I mean these are three of my close friends that didn't wake up. And it's for this exact same reason. It's wild because you hear about that in the 80s and I think
Corey Leff: 08:56 it was pretty commonplace, but the hear that it's still occurring in the 21st century is surprising.
Kyle Turley: : 09:00 It really is. And it's unfortunate cause it doesn't have to happen. You know, cannabis has proven over and again for thousands of years, um, but recently has proven an undeniably that there is an opportunity to have another option. Um, and I, and I can attest to that personally, you know, with the experience that I've had, you know, from having all these neurological issues and pain issues to where I don't have these things today I'm back in the gym more. I'm coaching more, I'm more active with my family. My cognitive ability has improved according to the NFL and their concussion testing. Um, as they continued to deny that I got CTE and everybody else, um, until you have full blown Alzheimer's. Well, I was starting down that road. I couldn't hold my hand steady for years. It was getting worse. Uh, my memory, everything couldn't speak. Couldn't sit in front of these lights here and do this interview with you without wearing sunglasses and a hat. And for five years since I've freed myself from pharmaceuticals, and it's strictly only on a cannabis regimen, uh, no supplements, no vitamins, no anything. I wanted to see what this plant could do and it's changed my life and I've been able to now give that to others and, uh, get them off of every pharmaceutical as well and do the exact same thing. Understanding the science behind that is why, and it's about the cannabinoid system.
Corey Leff: 10:20 So then how do we change the, you know, the, the common, you know, give me a pill. Uh, how do you, how do you change the perception, the mindset, uh, that there's another way to do it?
Kyle Turley: : 10:32 Unfortunately, that goes back to these doctors because you know, you or I or anybody out there that goes to the doctor, you know, assumes that this person with this degree on their wall from higher education that, that we can conceive of that, wow, these guys must know so much. Um, just in their one little signature can start you off into an addiction that that can ruin potentially end your life. Um, we need to stop there because the statistics are there for those to be completely eliminated. And let's just reset and start over. Um, unfortunately I've got too many people addicted and so you have to start stemming that down. So I hope that people will listen and people will understand that this is not about cannabis. This is not about weed and marijuana. This is about your cannabinoid system. Why does this work? Why does this work?
Kyle Turley: : 11:25 And it works because it matches your genetic profile identically. It has the same genetic profile as what's in me is what's in you and every person out there in the world. And until we understand that and that again, there is no Vicodin system, Welbutrin system, Depakote system, aspirin system, uh, there is a cannabinoid system. Every one of these pharmaceuticals is a synthetic means of trying to go speak to that in your brain to direct healing throughout your body. If I can and doesn't go to your knee. Otherwise, why wouldn't you just use it like DMS? So, and put that on your knee, you know, you put it in your body and just, it goes into your bloodstream and where does it go? It doesn't go to your knee, it goes to your brain and it has to try and communicate with that to send healing.
Kyle Turley: : 12:10 You know, that's, that's my hope. My hope is that people will wake up to the real conversation of what is going on here. Uh, uh, cannabis, medical marijuana. CBD is a big negotiating point in the next and in the health CVA. Um, how hard should players be pushing for it? Because if they get it, they're going to be giving up something on the other end, perhaps in another game or two. Is it worth shortening a career for it? That's unfortunate, you know, um, it's truly unfortunate that the medical community, especially in the national football league, um, one that has so much influence over society and communities in general, especially the youth, that the NFL doesn't take a proactive approach toward discovering the one thing that has been patented as a neuroprotectant. That's why I called my company neuro neuro. It was neuro armor. Now it's neuro XPF because of under armor.
Kyle Turley: : 13:10 And uh, it's because there's a patent on this. There's, you can, we can discuss semantics all everyone wants, you know, my experience, your experience, however, but the truth is there is a patent on this as a neuroprotectant. And the irony of that is that there's no other patents in the world on any other substance as a neuroprotectant. And so with the concussion issue, CTE and then again, understanding why this is and that this is about the cannabinoid system. Um, you would think and one would think the NFL would be more proactive on this. There is nothing else out there that we have hoped for, uh, that the players would be giving up. Anything in the next CBA for this discussion is unbelievably egregious, appalling and beyond me. Uh, I, I didn't get a degree from San Diego state. I've spoke at Harvard twice. Um, and that's, that's sad.
Kyle Turley: : 14:04 The NFL should be leading this, not Kyle Turley that through the helmet, you know, CVD, extend NFL careers. Is this a way that you can keep guys on the field longer? Um, I, I tell people all the time, if I had what I have in canvas today and I went back to the beginning of my football career, I would still be playing football. Right now I'm 44 years old. I wake up days still because of the recovery that I've experienced, defeated neuropathy, plantar fasciitis. I blew both myEd plantar fascia tendons, album football, started to have neuropathy creeping up my legs. I got onto some treatments through cannabis that destroyed that in two and a half months. The same ones that are killing cancer. And these are the things with the high THC concentrates. Why does this happen? Why is this happening? Why do I not have any vertigo episodes anymore?
Kyle Turley: : 14:56 Um, you know, my hope is that the NFL will wake up to the reality that this can extend careers, more importantly, can extend lives. I've saved so many people's lives so far through this, uh, it's not me. It's this God, this is this plant. This is a genetic link to what it is. Our health and everything is wrapped around. Unfortunately, now we have this conversation. It's about this plant that we need to get through. Um, but the conversation needs to shift to what's inside of us. Cause if I could have accessed as a professional athlete STEM cells, if I could have actually accessed, uh, as a professional athlete, uh, cannabis, but not just cannabis, why is that working? It mimics what's inside of me to ag is what they called it. A Nanda Majd is what it is. And it is our own genetic cannabinoids inside of us. If we could, if I could have unlocked these boxes, um, I, no doubt would still be playing. Yeah.
Corey Leff: 15:53 The NFL. Do the players get it? Uh, you hear a lot of players talking about smoking marijuana. Uh, two players get it from the CBD aspect.
Kyle Turley: : 16:01 They do after experiencing it, you know, if they commit to using cannabis in the medicinal way, in a medicinal manner, within a week, two weeks, anyone can experience the benefits of cannabis.
Corey Leff: 16:14 You know, is there a trend happening? Are you starting to see people? Uh,
Kyle Turley: : 16:19 yes, 100%. I've got active players on using our CBD currently active players that I reach out to that have concussions that, I don't know, I just try to reach out to them on social media. That's what I try to do when I see someone in a serious situation and let them know this can work. They're already got it. You know, they've, they've already got it from somewhere else. Unfortunately, the charge now is to really expose the right people doing this. Um, as we've seen the CNN episode recently, you know, trying to talk about the negative side of this CBD craze. Um, but it's important that people understand, uh, if they get a pure supplement, a pure CBD supplement, this is going to work. Don't go for flavors. Don't go for taste. Make sure you get a lab tested, real CBD or cannabis product and it will work for you.
Corey Leff: 17:08 Just last question. Uh, you, Tiki barber is also invested in the CBD space. Uh, do you think athletes are going to be moving more towards medical, um, investments as opposed to the tech investment? Uh, if only because they're able to really provide some value add there. You can talk about your experiences, you can talk about how it benefits you. I don't know if you can talk about how the tech investment is beneficial to you. Well, they're the, um, you know,
Kyle Turley: : 17:37 money changes everything, right? Uh, and so hopefully players now that they're understanding this, uh, and they're all getting in on it or in the right avenues or with the right companies, otherwise guys are going to lose a lot of money here coming soon against the FDA regulations that are about to pop up. Um, but this is an opportunity, fortunately for the financial world that everybody can get in on like big tech. Like, uh, what we experienced with, uh, you know, Silicon Valley. This is the new, uh, this is the new opportunity for guys like bill Gates. You know, he came up with the computer. Uh, I just fortunately tapped into, uh, something that's been around for thousands of years and ever since we've been here, um, that they're trying to keep from us. I don't know if they would try to do the same thing with computers or not, and that's, you know, and then they let it out to everybody.
Kyle Turley: : 18:25 But this has the opportunity now to reach into every community, uh, and make it better. And so it's awesome. It's awesome that these financial platforms are being allowed. Hopefully banking opens up cause there's an untold amount of money out there waiting to make our economy better. Um, and so guys like Tiki barber, Joe Montana, now Jerry Rice, uh, all these other guys or are involved in this, uh, you know, and I was trying to, you know, let these guys know that years ago and unfortunately, uh, we are where we are today where everybody is starting to understand this, but it's because of what it does it because when they use it, they can't deny the resolution that they've experienced themselves and they realize the opportunity in this to, uh, monetize it. Um, you know, now it's up to those and what they're going to do with that monetization, you know, are they going to continue to advance this conversation through premium products that actually work or we gonna distill this conversation and we're going to dampen it down with cheap products, you know, minimal amounts of CBD and in, you know, things just so we can make them taste better because it's in recreational land.
Kyle Turley: : 19:34 Now in supplement world, um, this is a true medicine and it works for everyone. There is a panacea that's out there. This is the closest thing to it. Um, and luckily, unfortunately the general public has the opportunity to direct this whole conversation.
Corey Leff: 19:50 Well, he would certainly know Kyle Turley, nine year NFL veteran turned CBD entrepreneur. Kyle, thanks for being with us. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you both for having me. I just want to grab one. I just want to ask you one question. Yeah. I just wanted to just ask how it, one question, I'm just wanting to ask you the question about players smoking weed in the parking lot. Yeah. Um, you wanted that too. I just wanted to, I just wanted to grab that quote, just a quote from him. So let's do this. Let's just do the intro and then we'll do, we'll separate that. Okay, cool. Yeah. Okay, cool. On the beginning. Sure. Just so that we have it and then, and then after that, then you could start a the question. Cool. All right, cool.
Speaker 3: 20:34 Are you ready?
Corey Leff: 20:43 Do you want me to do an intro? Cory left here with Kyle Turley, eight year NFL
Kyle Turley: : 20:48 veteran, uh, and the founder of neuro. Uh, let me do that again. XPF sorry. And that's, yeah, there you go. Corey left here with Kyle Turley, a nine year NFL veteran turned entrepreneur, a CBD entrepreneur. Kyle, thanks for being with us. Just one question. In terms of players smoking traditional marijuana, we've heard, we've heard some guys that have come out and said, ah, did they smoked weed before every game that they ever played? Yeah. These guys, tell him the truth. Is this happening or these guys kind of exaggerating? No, uh, you know, in the parking lots, the, the aroma was there for sure. Um, every team I was on was three different teams and every parking lot before games, you know, had had the, uh, uh, the smell in the air. And, um, you knew, you know, going to games that guys were gonna use that.
Kyle Turley: : 21:38 Um, you know, now I know why. You know, I used it at night personally, uh, when I had the opportunities to use it, I found that it was, you know, very medicinal and helping me recover. So I use it at night. I didn't want to compromise myself going into a game where I'm going to have to, you know, go to battle with, uh, uh, all these giants and people that are trying to kill me and my teammates. You know, I, I didn't feel like I should go into that scenario, um, uh, inebriated in any way. Although now I wish, knowing what I have, uh, I would probably use certain things to help me do that. Um, but in the locker rooms, um, I would say 80% of the NFL has always participated in marijuana and using cannabis, um, from players to coaches to owners and management.
Kyle Turley: : 22:29 Um, you know, everyone in every NFL team has a group of people that are using cannabis, not just the players and coaches know that these players are going out right before the game, smoking in the parking lot, come right back in and going out in the field. Sure. And a lot and certain coaches participated. So, you know, th this conversation has to just move forward from, from this, you know, this is no different. Well, it's a lot different than having a beer. Um, and I think most people would say that today, that they would rather their, their kids or anyone who's using anything to do anything for them, use something that's not going to kill them. Um, and as it turns out, uh, these players were using the only neuroprotective substance on the planet, uh, before going into a competition, uh, where you're gonna have repeated head trauma. So a unique situation going on in this conversation. Oh, thanks again for joining us. Thank you. I appreciate you. Thanks for having me.