HSBC Holdings' CEO Discusses Q1 2012 Results - Interim Management Statement Call Transcript

HSBC Holdings (HBC)

Q1 2012 Interim Management Statement Call

May 08, 2012 6:00 am ET


Stuart T. Gulliver - Chairman of Group Management Board, Group Chief Executive Officer and Executive Director

Iain James Mackay - Group Finance Director, Member of Group Management Board and Director


Raul Sinha - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division

Chris Manners - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Chintan Joshi - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Rohith Chandra-Rajan - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Thomas Rayner - Exane BNP Paribas, Research Division

Ian Gordon - Investec Securities (UK), Research Division

Chirantan Barua - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division

Ronit Ghose - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Michael Trippitt - Oriel Securities Ltd., Research Division

Michael Helsby - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Alastair Ryan - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Simon Willis - Daniel Stewart Securities, Research Division

Alistair Scarff - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Sally Ng - China International Capital Corporation Limited, Research Division



Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the HSBC Holdings PLC Investors and Analyst Conference Call. For your information, this conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to hand the call over to your host, Stuart Gulliver, group Chief Executive; and Iain Mackay, group Finance Director.

Stuart T. Gulliver

Thank you. Welcome, everyone. Iain together with me today, and first of all, we'll give you a quick overview and then, obviously, move to questions.

So we've had a good start to the year. Reported PBT for Q1, which includes, obviously, the adverse movements on the fair value of our own debt of $2.6 billion due to the tightening of credit spreads was USD $4.3 billion. The underlying numbers, which exclude the fair value of own debt, give a clearer picture of year-on-year performance. The underlying PBT in Q1 was USD $6.8 billion, up $1.4 billion on 2011. The estimated ROE, excluding the effect of the fair value of our own debt, is around 11%. And the main factors driving this upswing against the same period last year were increased revenues across Global Banking and Markets and Commercial Banking and in Retail Banking and Wealth Management in the faster-growing regions.

The underlying PBT was up $3.4 billion against the previous quarter, driven by higher revenues in Global Banking and Markets, which, like others in the industry, is usually strong in the first quarter; lower loan impairment charges in North America and Europe compared with the previous quarter; and lower operating cost due to a significant decrease in the size and number of notable items.

We continue to reap the benefits of investment in faster-growing markets. Reported PBT increased by 21% in Hong Kong, 24% in the Rest of Asia-Pacific and 11% in Latin America over the corresponding period in 2011. The underlying cost efficiency ratio improved from 58.7% to 55.5%, driven by increased revenues.

Operating expenses were slightly higher on a constant-currency basis due to the increase in Global Banking and Markets performance-related costs. This reflects the higher revenues mentioned earlier. However, headcount fell 14,000 against the same period in 2011 and 3,500 against the end of last year. We also announced 11 transactions since the start of the year, bringing the total to 27.

To conclude, we think it's a pretty good start to the year, continued growth in target areas, stable costs and a strong balance sheet. We've made progress in all areas of our strategy, including the costs. And now, Iain will talk through the financial performance in detail.

Iain James Mackay

Thanks, Stuart. You've all seen the statement, so I'll just cover a few keys points in detail. As Stuart said, reported profit before tax in the first quarter was down, driven by effect of movements in credit spread on fair value on debt. Underlying profit before tax for the quarter was $6.8 billion, up $1.4 billion or 25% on 2011. This reflects increased revenue in Global Banking and Markets and Commercial Banking and in faster-growing regions for Retail Bank Wealth Management and stable and impairment charges, with reduced charges in North America offsetting the effect of higher charges in Latin America. As Stuart mentioned, the estimated underlying return on equity was around 11%.

Turning to revenues. Reported revenues for the quarter were down $800 million on the same period in 2011. Excluding the effect of fair value on debt movements, revenues were $1.2 billion higher than in the corresponding quarter last year. This growth was led by Global Banking and Markets, increasing revenues by $700 million, and backed up by a strong performance in Commercial Bank, which grew by $300 million. Global Banking and Markets revenue growth was driven by strong revenue performances in foreign exchange, Balance Sheet Management and Payments and Cash Management and increased rates revenues, thanks to tightened eurozone bond spreads following ECB action, although this was partly offset by a decline in equities revenues due to markedly decreased revenues on the comparable period of last year.

Revenues increased in Commercial Banking in the first quarter compared to the same period in 2011 due to higher net interest income, reflecting strong growth in Lending, particularly in the first half of last year, in Hong Kong, Rest of Asia-Pacific, Latin America and Europe; notably, the small and medium-sized enterprises in the U.K.; an increase in deposit balances in Europe, Hong Kong and the Rest of Asia-Pacific. Gains from cross-selling between Commercial Banking and Global Banking and Markets, particularly foreign exchange products, demonstrated real progress in our efforts to integrate the 2 businesses. Within Retail Bank Wealth Management, we grew net interest income in faster-growing regions and insurance revenues, mainly in Hong Kong, although these factors were partially offset by the ongoing run-off of the U.S. consumer finance portfolio.

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