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NEW YORK ( RealMoney) -- Can this economy turn without Washington's help? Can it turn even with Washington hurting it? Those are the two questions I am asking industrial CEOs and the answers are a little surprising.

First, many of the industrial CEOs I deal with actually see a turn happening in this country's economy. They see it in non-residential construction, which can be a real driver of the GDP growth. They see it in autos where a 13 million auto build, once dreamed of, is now a reality. They see it in larger orders for trucks and generators and construction equipment. They see it in the construction of billions of dollars' worth of energy infrastructure projects, many to meet long-agreed-upon EPA standards for phasing out coal. They see it in the billions of dollars of petrochemical plant and pipeline businesses to harness our natural gas -- now the cheapest in the world -- and turn it into plastics. They see it in the beginning of the gigantic aerospace build for the Boeing Dreamliner, which could actually, in a ripple effect, impact GDP positively.

But if offered a chance for help from Washington, almost EVERY ONE of these manufacturing CEOs I speak to, and I know I speak to a lot more of them than the president, scoffs and says that help from Washington is inconceivable. Just out of the question. And not just because there is a limited amount of dollars for projects.

There is no help from Washington because the CEOs behind this turn believe that the president is ideologically committed to hurting them either because their businesses involve some level of pollution -- or a build out of a fossil fuel system in some way or another -- or because labor is not going to do as well as capital in their successes. There is a "plague on your house" attitude from the White House rather than any encouragement, unless they are all green or the workers own more of the means of production, which, alas, isn't really a true capitalist doctrine.

One thing that has changed, though, is that many of the CEOs I talk to have gone from reticence and defensiveness to "try and stop me Mr. President, I am going to make money for shareholders here."

It's funny, as much as we on Wall Street fret every day about Europe, mostly about the imminent collapse of Italy, these execs, and I ask them all, are far more worried about the president and the Democrats and the obstacles they place on success.

They think there is a deep-down anti-success bias.

They think that the president is so anti-profit that he is the biggest hindrance to their successes, not Europe. They feel they can work around Europe but they know, in their hearts, that the president does not want them to succeed.

Let me say this, I used to find this a "hard to believe" analysis. I just can't believe that the White House would be so committed to the failure, not the promotion but failure, of business unless it is green or owned by labor. I still have trouble with it because I have to believe that you need some business people on your side to win reelection.

But the CEOs I talk to pretty much figured out a couple of years ago that they are the enemy. That somehow they are Wall Street, even as they only make a pilgrimage to Wall Street once or twice a year and don't need the bankers for their biddings. Their balance sheets are way too strong to need that help.

They believe that the president does not think that their successes translate into anything good for the country. In fact, they think that the more successful the shareholders are the more the president feels the country is ripped off by them because the president doesn't seem to understand that so many people in this country own stock in one way or another and need the stock market to do well.

They think that stocks are also a dirty word with him because poorer people don't own stocks and he is their representative, not the shareholders' representative. They think that the president believes only Republicans own stocks, so who cares about them.

When I press them on this, asking them what makes the president so anti-business, they laugh. They say that the president's agenda isn't per se, out-loud, anti-business, it's just anti-wealth and pro-labor and, most of all, pro-Green. There's no room for anything else on the agenda.

They see his agenda as making sure that the country's businesses pollute less and that the unions get a lot of money so that they will give back to the campaign and have him win again. Beyond that they don't see anything at all.

I kid you not. That's what they say!

Rather amazing.

That said they think they can do well without the president's help. They just want him distracted, working on his reelection, not focusing on what they want to accomplish. They want him unfocused on business because almost every one of them that I speak to thinks that he couldn't help even if he tried and he won't anyway. They want him out on the trail going to small businesses and solar factories and wind farms and geothermal sites and biomass facilities. They want him spending time at schools and with first responders and the military because it doesn't hurt them or stop them from doing business. They want him shaking hands and kissing babies and not doing much else.

And they think they do well because there is enough confusion and worry about his reelection that the president may not have the time to get in their way. They think he might be too busy raising money and meeting with Democrats on the Hill to be sure the Republicans don't get anywhere. They like an election year if it buys the economy some tax cuts and some extended employment benefits, all the better. Maybe even a highway bill. Some limited Chinese bashing.

They are not being cynical. They are accepting of the whole second-ratedness of it all. The second-ratedness of politics. They don't even talk about taxes. Most of them just want stability in taxes even at a higher level. They just want certainty from Washington, meaning the certainty that nothing can be accomplished or won't be accomplished. The uncertainty that something can be accomplished and that something will be negative for business is always a threat to them.

Fortunately, the business people also think the Republicans are hard at work frustrating the president and the Democrats so the combination of the election and the stalemate produces a decent environment to start growing again. It's not like they have anything good to say about the Republicans, either. They can't believe that the only thing they seem to be focused on is lower taxes. Almost all of the execs I speak to aren't being driven by the tax code. They are simply trying to build and sell better products than the other guy, particularly the other guy from overseas.

I know, it is totally backward. I have asked about this time and again, over and over. I keep getting this same dynamic. I have known many of these CEOs for many years, before they were CEOs. I know some of them because of my contacts in the Democratic party, from when I was a substantial giver. They know my politics. I know theirs. Most aren't even political, as they fear that somehow they are viewed as John Birch Society members by some and crypto-fascists by others, particularly the more mean-spirited Occupy Wall Streeters.

They just want to do their jobs and make money for shareholders. If there is enough demand they will hire more. If there isn't they won't.

I figured I should just share this with you and see if you find it as "out there" as I did, until I have heard it so many times that it has become gospel.

Anyway, it should make you feel better about one thing: the election's getting closer, not further and win, lose or draw, as long as the White House isn't focused, they think the expansion can continue.

What a world.

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