Trump Triples Down on Failed Strategies

Mish

Trump made two politically bad moves today, both related to Covid.

Trump Statement Comparing the Flu to Covid

Please consider Fresh out of Walter Reed, Trump compares Covid to the flu. Experts say he's flat wrong.

Twitter corrected Trump but Facebook removed it completely.

It is ridiculous to asset the Flu is more lethal than Covid. Yet, there is the claim.

But let's assume you are silly enough to believe it. 

The Tweet is still ridiculous because a majority of people disagree with Trump over Covid. 

It cannot help Trump politically to make a claim people overwhelmingly disagree with.

Trump Rejects a New Stimulus Deal, Will Not Even Negotiate

Also today, I noted Trump Rejects a New Stimulus Deal, Will Not Even Negotiate

Flying Into A Brick Wall

Trump is like a bird flying repeatedly into a brick wall. 

Cardinals actually do this, not with brick walls, but with reflecting globes.

They will fight their own reflection, attempting to drive it off.

Mish

Comments (89)
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njbr
njbr

Wait, Trump agrees with Powell?!?!

New tweet!! Trumps says Powell , need for more stimulus is "true"!!

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
True!

CNBC Now
@CNBCnow
BREAKING: Fed Chair Powell calls for more help from Congress, says there’s a low risk of ‘overdoing it’

Zardoz
Zardoz

This fool is gonna screw around and die of this, and his cult will be baying for blood over his 'murder' by the deep state.

Sechel
Sechel

Trump is sick with Covid, probably has Covid pneumonia, he's behind in the polls, hates losing and perhaps in fear of prosecution. Given his history I'd be shocked if he was thinking straight.

Sechel
Sechel

It is ridiculous to "asset" the Flu is more lethal than Covid. Yet, there is the claim.

Assess

The Tweet is still ridiculous because a majority of people disagree with Trump over Covid.

Or the facts don't support the claim is what i'd say.

reader2006
reader2006

I have a friend who is an Emergency Department Director at the VA in SF and he has told me that Flu has more deaths than Covid

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

Trump is at the ultimate texas holdem poker match holding an offsuit deuce seven, putting all the chips on the table, smirking saying he is “all in” trying to bluff his way through while the whole time has his cards face up on the table. He also owes $1.2 billion to loan sharks, being questioned by the IRS and has covid.

It doesnt matter what Biden is holding, any hand Biden has is better than what Trump is playing.

Carl_R
Carl_R

When someone surrounds himself with yes men, and then ends up on steroids that affect his thinking, sometimes things veer off the rails, because there is no one to correct the course.

nlightn
nlightn

It's a Forrest Gump moment,..."STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES."

The Trumposaurous strikes again.

Sechel
Sechel

All of this pales in comparison to one incontrovertible fact. Trump has lost support among seniors a key demographic that propelled him to victory in 2016. And Covid-19 is undeniable the key factor

National and swing-state polls in the last week show an exodus among voters 65 and older from Trump to Biden, an alarming sign for the president after NBC News exit polls showed he won that crucial Republican-leaning cohort by 8 points in 2016.

A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found Biden leading Trump by 14 points, his largest advantage ever in the survey. Among seniors 65 and older, Biden led by a startling 27 points, marking a 23-point swing in his direction in one month.

njbr
njbr

Can we stop with the "flu has more deaths" stupidity?

From the good ol' days when there were only 60,000 deaths--well over 215,000 now IN 7 effn months.

Stop being so low info that you believe this this type of BS

Greggg
Greggg

The covid 19 death toll is the same as the Asian Flu in 1957. 650/million. don't believe me. Look it up. This covid 19 thing started in November of 2019, so when November 2020 comes up, do we start calling it covid 20? Flu changes every year and there are several strains of the covid virus. Every one of them has the potency to kill, some more than others depending on co-morbidities. BTW, how many flu cases were there from February on this year? My wife and I cannot find the count and we have followed the flu cases for years now. I do wonder, however, if Trump was told by the PTB to politically dig his own grave?

numike
numike

The president is now seemingly trying to back pedal on his earlier announcement that he was shutting down COVID relief package negotiations ...https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1313663753259540483

JJ Johnson
JJ Johnson

Trump has renewed vigor from his fetal stem cell treatment of Regeneron.

I'll wait to hear the public outcry from the religious right & conservatives as long as I'd.......bored waiting for something that will never come already.

Webej
Webej

Trump said: Covid ... in most populations far [] less lethal [than flu]

Is that true? Well yes, up until about 40 years of age flu/Covid have similar mortality.

If we look at the CDC numbers, it lists 35 ‘Covid involved’ deaths for the 0-5 cohort, but for flu the number is 477 and 802 for the 2018-19 and 2014-15 seasons respectively.

Age cohorts are hard to line up in the CDC data because the groups are not orthogonal. But it lists 429 ‘Covid involved’ deaths for <25. For the flu, this number is 477 and 803 for the <18 cohort in 2018-19 and 2014-15 seasons respectively.

For 0-19 the Covid IFR is 0.003%; for flu the value is 0.0124% and 0.0067% for the 0-4 and 5-17 cohorts respectively (imputed, 2014-2015 season).

Dying at 1 forfeits 924 months of statistical life expectancy; dying at 78 (median age for ‘Covid involved’ deaths as well as general mortality) forfeits none.

www.cdc.gov /nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
www.cdc.gov /coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
www.cdc.gov /flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
www.cdc.gov /flu/about/burden/2014-2015.html

Jojo
Jojo

How will COVID-19 affect the coming flu season? Scientists struggle for clues
By Kelly Servick
Aug. 14, 2020

In March, as the Southern Hemisphere braced for winter flu season while fighting COVID-19, epidemiologist Cheryl Cohen and colleagues at South Africa’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD) set up a plan to learn from the double whammy. They hoped to study interactions between seasonal respiratory viruses and SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19. Does infection with one change a person’s risk of catching the other? How do people fare when they have both?

But the flu season—and the answers—never came. NICD’s Centre for Respiratory Disease and Meningitis, which Cohen leads, has logged only a single flu case since the end of March. In previous years, the country’s surveillance platforms have documented, on average, about 700 cases during that period, Cohen says. “We’ve been doing flu surveillance since 1984, and it’s unprecedented.”

PawnInTheGame
PawnInTheGame

Mish wrote:"It is ridiculous to asset the Flu is more lethal than Covid. Yet, there is the claim."

But Trump did NOT say that "Flu is more lethal than Covid".
What Trump said was, "in most populations far less lethal", which is true.

PawnInTheGame
PawnInTheGame

Mish wrote: "'Forget about a new stimulus bill before the election.' Politically, this was a bad move by Trump, even if you agree with his reasons. Republicans will take the blame."

I think you may be missing the deeper political motivations behind what's happening . . . .

Trump supporters -- and perhaps some Independents -- will believe that the Democrats don't want a stimulus bill passed before the election, because passing a bill would help Trump. Democrats pretend to negotiate, but will never agree to anything in order to make Trump look bad. And the failure to pass a bill will work on some voters.

But those voters that understand the deeper motivations of the Democrats will see that Trump has made a smart move in postponing the stimulus negotiations.

Herkie
Herkie

His call to end stimulus negotiations followed this morning by calls to negotiate smaller packages such as a new demand for billions for airlines....

This guy needs to go back to Walter Reed, he is out of his mind.

The republicans in congress MUST be ready to dump him right? Because they are the ones that will pay for this clownshow with lost seats. Billions for corporarations and nothing for American people who are going hungry and homeless.

And those on Twitter still defending him last night, there are not as many as there once were, said they stood with him because they do not want to see the federal government bailing out the blue state budget deficits. I know there are some here that believe thise right wing meme as well.

So I pointed out the FACT that most of the states that pay more revenue in to the federal government than they get back are BLUE states. And I pointed out listing as I went the states that get back more than the revenues they pay in are nearly all RED! The welfare red states are a drain on the federal budget and maybe it is they who should have relif funds withheld.

California is their favorite target for slashing federal money as if Californians are not Americans. In fact California has an economy that is 6th in the world in size and is the engine that keeps the American economy going. I would like to see scholarly work done to show what the US economy would look like without California.

In fact California has an investment grade bond rating, the only state that is in the B category is (Mish knows this one, he just left it) IL. Of the 11 states that get the MOST back from the federal government for what they pay in all 11 are red states except NM. Of the top 15 states for getting the least back for what they pay in almost all are blue.

So this game of blaming blue states is just more republican BS! I am telling you right now to be very careful what you wish for because if you keep lying about this the response may well be a constitutional amendment that requires all federal spending in the states to be equal on a per capita basis, and the welfare red states are not going to like that at all because they will get less money and blue states which are more heavily taxed will get more. In fact I am all for it, let's have a flat tax where people AK, LA, and KY pay the exact same amount is as in NJ, CA, and NY. And also get equal amounts back. See if the red states like that!

The real question is why are the GOP blocking relief? They know these facts and are using a lie to block aid to people while demanding corporate bailouts.

Pelosi and the democrats are right to follow this strategy, if the right wants corporate bailouts they have to negotiate in good faith for democratic priorities as well and if the right will not negotiate in good faith then there will be no relief for anyone and the voters can decide in 3 weeks whethere they want the dem HeroesAct that may be spends a little too much, or the GOP non plan that just delivers instant slush funds to selected industries. Industries that can borrow at pretty much zero percent interest now.

Frankly I can see where this ends. It ends in the break up of the US because the left is just not going to put up with more fascist bullshit. It is very near to being finished.

njbr
njbr

Don't be a mindless dummy...

Under 20 years old, CV and flu have similar death rates (not lower!!

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In all other age groups it is many multiples of the flu death rates--up to 14 times

I know you don't like facts, but having facts makes you look like not a dummy...

wmjack
wmjack

Mish did you loose your first IT job to a foreign import? And yet you don't support Trump's jobs for American citizens? Lets see your comments on the declassified Russian Clinton Obama Hoax against Trump and the wasted tax payer money spent

RonJ
RonJ

Zero Hedge: "Over six thousand scientists and doctors have signed a petition against coronavirus lockdown measures, urging that those not in the at risk category should be able to get on with their lives as normal, and that lockdown rules in both the US and UK are causing ‘irreparable damage’."

I just saw a Youtube video Denninger posted, of an interview with a California doctor who treated 1,700 Covid patients with HCQ and zinc, without a single fatality. Only one patient wound up in the hospital.

Solon
Solon

Turns out that according to WHO themselves, Trump is unbelievably correct. Today they ball-parked total of global population likely infected to this point at 10%. In other words, 780 million. Fatality rate is actually miniscule at 1.04M deaths about the same as the seasonal flu. Just waaay more infectious. It's not particularly dangerous, but its operating with a compressed time frame. That's the difficulty there.


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