Trump Tells Georgia Gov. to "Call Off the Election" as Barr Admits No Widespread Fraud

Mish

Trump's demands go beyond stupid to unquestionably illegal.

Call Off the Election

If you thought Trump Tweets could not possibly get more ridiculous, you thought wrong.

There is no provision for anyone to "call off  the election" at least in the US.

Trump's demands are third-world dictator stuff.

Georgia Governor Responds

Please consider this Statement by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp. 

“Georgia law prohibits the Governor from interfering in elections. The Secretary of State, who is an elected constitutional officer, has oversight over elections that cannot be overridden by executive order. As the Governor has said repeatedly, he will continue to follow the law and encourage the Secretary of State to take reasonable steps - including a sample audit of signatures - to restore trust and address serious issues that have been raised.”

Signature Nonsense

The National Review explains.

Once again, every signature of every absentee voter in Georgia was checked twice. When a registered voter requests an absentee ballot, the signature on the ballot request is compared to the signature on the voter-registration card. Then, when the absentee ballot arrives to the county clerk, the signature on the absentee ballot oath envelope is compared a second time to the signature on the voter registration card and to the signature on the absentee-ballot request.

The consent decree signed earlier this year requires Georgia election officials to consult with their peers on mismatching signatures, to ensure one official isn’t making subjective assessments of a signature match. “A mail-in absentee ballot shall not be rejected unless a majority of the registrars, deputy registrars, or absentee ballot clerks reviewing the signature agree that the signature does not match any of the voter’s signatures on file in eNet or on the absentee ballot application.

The Georgia state constitution states, “Elections by the people shall be by secret ballot and shall be conducted in accordance with procedures provided by law.” Thus, once a ballot is determined to be valid, it is separated from the envelope with the signature: “Once an election worker counting votes opens your envelope and takes out your ballot, there is no way to re-connect them.

Yet, the same BS claims happen over and over and over. 

Barr Says No Evidence of Widespread Fraud

Attorney General William Barr says No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud in Election.

“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” Mr. Barr told the AP.

There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results,” Mr. Barr told the AP. The Justice Department has “looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that.”

Please note the Attorney General is a cabinet level position appointed by the president.

Trump’s Fraud Claims Hit a Barr

The Wall Street Journal editorial board comments Trump’s Fraud Claims Hit a Barr.

Bill Barr can take the heat, and on Tuesday the stalwart Attorney General guaranteed he’ll get it when he said “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

“We won the election easily,” Mr. Trump said Sunday. He later added: “It’s not like you’re going to change my mind.” But where’s the hard evidence to convince the country? Many of the theories floating around don’t withstand scrutiny.

Ballot Dumps: Mr. Trump complained in a tweet that Joe Biden got “a dump of 143,379 votes at 3:42AM.” But the explanation is prosaic: Contemporaneous reporting says this is when Milwaukee’s central counting location finished with roughly 170,000 mail ballots. They included votes for both candidates but broke heavily for Mr. Biden.

Wisconsin law doesn’t let counties process absentee ballots until Election Day. The margin in Milwaukee County doesn’t look crazy: Mr. Biden won 69% to 29%, compared with Hillary Clinton’s victory of 65% to 29%.

The same goes for Michigan, which reported a similar batch of ballots in the wee hours of Nov. 4. But again the margins aren’t wild: Mr. Biden won there 68% to 30%, compared with Mrs. Clinton’s 67% to 29%. As a share of Michigan overall, Wayne County fell to 15.8%, from 16.2%.

Vote Totals: “I got 74 million votes, the largest in the history of a sitting president,” Mr. Trump said Sunday. It’s 11 million more than in 2016. Yet he lost to Mr. Biden, who Mr. Trump said “did not get 16 million more votes than Barack Hussein Obama.”

What’s unbelievable? The electorate grows. Since 2012, the voting-eligible population has risen by 17 million, according to estimates by the U.S. Elections Project. Turnout in 2020 was historic, helped by expanded absentee voting. If enthusiasm was also high, perhaps it’s because Donald Trump has been a polarizing President and drove Democratic as well as Republican turnout. As for the failure of bellwether states, they’re predictive until they’re not. Florida and Ohio have trended red for years.

Poll Watchers: Judges have dismissed affidavits submitted by the Trump camp as “rife with speculation and guess-work” and “inadmissible as hearsay.” Other claims made in public circulate largely without being tested. A poll watcher from Delaware County, Pa., alleged last week, without giving any evidence, that 47 USB cards used in the election “are missing, and they’re nowhere to be found.” Where’s the proof? 

Dominion: On Sunday, Mr. Trump called Dominion voting systems, used in dozens of states, “garbage machinery.” But the totals from Georgia’s hand recount closely matched the results from its scanners. How does Mr. Trump explain that? In an op-ed for these pages, Dominion’s CEO denied the “bizarre” claim that his company is tied to Hugo Chávez. Third-party labs, he said, “perform complete source-code reviews on every federally certified tabulation system.”

Whack-a-Mole

The Wall Street Journal goes to say "Fighting such claims is like whack-a-mole. No, Pennsylvania didn’t count more mail votes than it sent out. No, Wisconsin didn’t have 89% turnout. No, several states didn’t simultaneously quit counting ballots on election night. No, ballots in Arizona filled out with Sharpie markers weren’t discounted."

This is precisely what I discussed yesterday. 

It's Easy Debunking Idiocy, the Problem is It Never Stops

Please consider or re-read what I said yesterday It's Easy Debunking Idiocy, the Problem is It Never Stops.

I made the same rebuttal as the WSJ and the National Review.

The Journal came up with another easy to understand explanation of turnout: Since 2012, the voting-eligible population has risen by 17 million.

Yet, alleged statistical wizards spout turnout for Biden was statistically impossible. 

The article I rebutted made the nonsensical claim "every single black person in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee apparently voted for Biden."

No, that did not happen. And as the Journal and I both noted these pro-Biden dumps were expected, in advance. It would have been amazing if it did not happen, not amazing that it did.

To explain why Trump got less votes than Republicans in general, I made the claim "Voters on average were sick of Trump, but were rightfully fearful of what AOC and Warren policies might occur if Democrats won the whole shebang." 

The Journal noted "If enthusiasm was also high, perhaps it’s because Donald Trump has been a polarizing President and drove Democratic as well as Republican turnout."

The Election Trump Wanted

Trump got the election he wanted.

He ran a divisive, xenophobic, narcissistic, derogatory campaign.  He turned the election into a referendum on him.

Guess, what? 

A majority of people in the right states said they have had enough of Trump.

Occam's Razor

Rather than accept the obvious, Trump supporters are willing to believe any combination of stories, no matter how ridiculous.

Fans of Occam's Razor here is your choice.

  1. Biden Won
  2. Trump was robbed by a combination of Dominion theft, a collusion between Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia and Fox News, vote subtraction in Virginia, statistical impossibilities, late ballots, and a Republican Secretary of State in Georgia gone mad, all of the above without a shred of evidence, and Trump unwilling to tell the court there was any fraud! 

Trump Cult Syndrome (TCS)

Let's conclude with a simple idea.

  • If Trump had any real evidence of fraud, he would have presented it in a court of law long ago.
  • Because Trump has no shred of evidence, he presents the case in the court of public opinion rather than a court of law.

This is all very easy to see unless one is blinded by TCS.

Today, even Trump's Attorney General and the Wall Street Journal debunk Trump's claims. 

Silence!!

Trump blatantly asked the Georgia governor to do something illegal.

Call off the election? How? Under what authority? 

Most Republicans are silent but some are even supportive as is everyone afflicted with TCS.

Addendum: OJ Comparison

Mish

Comments (87)
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nzyank
nzyank

Trump is raising lots of money so from a fundraising standpoint his approach seems very successful.... it's also a good smokescreen for what I can only imagine is going on right now out of public view....

Realist
Realist

Trump has never let the Law get in his way. He believes that he is above the law.

And he certainly doesn't mind asking others to break the law. On more than one occasion he told supporters that if they do break the law on his behalf, that he would pardon them.

And speaking of pardons, I'm waiting to see how much he is charging for them. I believe that there is an investigation into that topic already.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Couple of things.....one is that Barr has come down on the side of the angels...if he had decided to sell his soul completely to Trump and make shit up out of the whole cloth, try (in any way). to give Trump’s wild claims any support.....it would have made things so much worse than they are.

But he apparently has respect for the actual law. He gets unexpected points from me.

Second....Trump is in-f**kin’-sane.....the worst loser of all time. Gimme a break dude!

I’ve thought about what Trump might do in retirement besides play golf.....I think he should play himself in a one man show in Vegas. Live up in the penthouse like Elvis....play the slots in the wee hours like Colonel Tom Parker. With the secret service there, the hotel wouldn’t even need to pay for security.

Call Sheldon Adelson.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple

Talk is cheap. Never cheaper, in fact. There's your inflation.

Tengen
Tengen

Every time I read one of these stories I check ZH to see how many are keeping the faith. It's no longer a majority but still a sizable minority that believe Trump will serve a second term. A week or two ago the figure was probably around 80%, but Sidney's DOA kraken put a damper on things.

At this point only true zealots still believe in the cause. They either think Trump is still playing 4D chess or that Biden will lock everyone away in FEMA camps. Every other flavor of Trump supporter has seen the light by now.

Anda
Anda

OTOH on signatures...

"Brickman in the hearing also testified to a number of other voting irregularities that she directly observed, including the constant lowering of signature verification standards by her election supervisors in order to “move more quickly” and process the higher amount of early and mail-in ballots received for the November election.

“Standards were lowered from approximately 15 points of similarities … reduced to a minimum of three, and then lowered to one, and ultimately none,” Brickman said, recalling that she was told to “just pass each signature verification through.”"

Courtesy...ZH.

njbr
njbr

Lou Dobbs went on to complain that while the president’s “progress” in his quest to claim victory in the election has put him at odds with “insidious RINOs” and the “deep state,” a member of Trump’s “own cabinet appeared to join in with the radical Dems and the deep state and the resistance.”

Seething at Barr’s remarks about the lack of evidence of voter fraud, Dobbs—who also serves as an informal Trump adviser—blasted the attorney general in an extremely personal manner.

“For the attorney general of the United States to make that statement, he is either a liar or a fool or both,” he exclaimed. “He may be, um, perhaps compromised. He may be simply unprincipled. Or he may be personally distraught or ill!”

njbr
njbr

How do you think this guy's affidavit will hold upto judicial scruitny..a guy living in Japan who's only claim to fame is being the son of 8kuns owner opining that it is possible that Dominion software can be hacked...

....Powell on Tuesday filed an affidavit from Ron Watkins, the son of 8kun’s owner Jim Watkins, in a Georgia lawsuit alleging that Dominion Voting Systems machines used in the election had been corrupted as part of a sprawling voter-fraud conspiracy.

Powell has claimed that a diabolical scheme backed by global communists had invisibly shifted votes with help from a mysterious computer algorithm pioneered by the long-dead Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chávez — a wild story debunked by fact-checkers as a “fantasy parade” and devoid of proof.

No real evidence was included in Watkins’s affidavit, either. But Watkins, who said in the affidavit that he lives in Japan, nevertheless speculated that — based on his recent reading of the Dominion software’s online user guide — it may be “within the realm of possibility” for a biased poll worker to fraudulently switch votes....

njbr
njbr

Big clue for all you morons with the conspiracy outlook...

Blanket pardons being discussed at the WH for Trump, the Trump family and associates...

I would guess Barr won't be getting one for Christmas.

njbr
njbr

Sidney Powell, formerly of the vaunted Trump crack legal team, filed a new lawsuit in Wisconsin, where she demands all the security camera footage of vote counting at the TCF Center. Which is in Detroit. Which is not a city in Wisconsin. So, that's a thing that happened.

Jackula
Jackula

The twilight zone intro music comes to mind reading this.

Sechel
Sechel

Barr should never have been looking for election fraud while the election is ongoing. This is a state issue. Barr issued a highly controversial memo just to enable it.

Sechel
Sechel

Interesting to see Trump apparently now turn on Barr. Not sure what to make of it.

Sechel
Sechel

Trump is letting no lever go unused. His allies are even threatening the physical safety of election officials with no apparent pushback from Trump.

Lance Manly
Lance Manly

I guess once he has grifted the TCS folks out of their money for a fake election defense he can move into pardon selling full time.

"Howell’s ruling said prosecutors are investigating a “bribery-for-pardon scheme” in which someone “would offer a substantial political contribution in exchange for a presidential pardon or reprieve of sentence” for an unidentified person.

Despite the rather direct language in Howell’s ruling, Trump dismissed news reports of a probe into possible corruption of the pardon process.

“Pardon investigation is fake news,” Trump tweeted Tuesday night."

JonSellers
JonSellers

I am a lifelong Republican. I voted exactly as Mish stated: Biden for President, party line Republican down the card. I despise Trump, everything he stands for, and his cult followers. I live in Florida, so it didn't help. But I'm sure there are millions more like me out there in the swing states.

Webej
Webej

»» Trump's demands are third-world dictator stuff.««

A perfect match with the ‘third-world’ electoral process, although Venezuela, Bolivia, Syria, and the Congo are actually paradigms of transparency and integrity compared to the US system from which America could learn quite a bit.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

jrf
jrf

Has anyone really considered that "he" is actually plagued with mental illness ? His actions represent that.

njbr
njbr

And here we go around the bend...

....Last night, fresh off his pardon for past crimes, retired General Mike Flynn endorsed a call for President Trump to suspend the constitution and declare martial law. It came in a tweet in which Flynn tweeted and endorsed a manifesto calling on President “to immediately declare a limited form of Martial Law and temporarily suspend the Constitution and civilian control of these federal elections for the sole purpose of having the military oversee a national re-vote.”....

Neoliberal Elitist
Neoliberal Elitist

Trump and his people crave media attention. It’s like oxygen to them.

Instead of responding to their endless stupidity with explanations about how illegal and stupid their demands are, let’s just ignore them and treat them like them like the news of yesteryear that they are.

Nothing that Trump does in an executive capacity is irreversible. Let him Tweet and rant and rave and fire people if he wants. All the fired people can be retained, executive policies revoked, etc on January 20th by President Biden.

It’s high time we shifted our attention to getting real things done for the American people, rather than allowing the excrement-flinging of the alt-right to dominate the news cycle any further.

amigator
amigator

At least Trumps fraudulent claims won't cost tax payer millions of dollars and years of nonsense(when something positive could have been done) investigating the Russian interference!

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

More PPP reveals.....Trump and Kushner’s businesses got millions in PPP money.

Zardoz
Zardoz

Maybe he can use the Michael Scott "I declare bankruptcy" method, or perhaps he can stamp his little feet until he gets his way.

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Mish, why the stress over an alleged vote fraud matter?

If you could stuff the ballot box AGAINST Hitler, wouldn’t you?

If you could stuff the ballot box FOR Santa Claus, wouldn’t you?

If you could do both at the same time, then WTF not?

Sechel
Sechel

Trump just gave a 46 minute video speech that was bonkers even for Trump. He's lost Pence and Barr. He's readyvforcyhe psyche ward

njbr
njbr

Guiliani teed up to replace Barr...

Satire or not?

Carl_R
Carl_R

Really, I don't mind all that much that they did all these checks. It's been very reassuring to realize that, even after extensive checks, no major fraud has been found, and there is nothing unusual. This election, despite Covid, appears to have been the most secure in history. Now, however, it's time to move on from this.

JG1170
JG1170

It doesn't take a complicated web of fraud to result a Trump win. If Facebook and Twitter had abided by the LAW and not censored news stories that they knew would rob Biden of votes, then Trump would most certainly have gotten his second term. It really only takes common sense to know this is true, but if you don't believe me then look: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/medias-hiding-of-hunter-biden-scandal-robbed-trump-of-clear-win-poll/ar-BB1aZGcF

gklauhu
gklauhu

We may need Iran to bring Trump to justice for murder

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Georgia Senate races are too close to call.....which is not expected. The Republicans had the advantage before Trump decided to give them the shaft...it would be a nice case of schadenfreude if Trump’s attempts to steal the election caused the Senate to flip.

Not that the Republicans don’t richly deserve it, just for kissing Trump’s butt so hard.


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