Trump is Impeached For the Second Time

Mish

In a bipartisan vote, president Trump has been impeached again. What about conviction?

Bipartisan Vote 232 to 197

Ten Republicans joined all House Democrats in charging president with Inciting Riot at U.S. Capitol.

“We know that the president of the United States incited this insurrection, this armed rebellion, against our country,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) said. “He must go—he is a clear and present danger to the nation that we all love.”

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) said Mr. Trump “bears responsibility” for the Capitol riot but said he opposed impeachment, calling for censure instead. “A vote to impeach would further divide this nation, a vote to impeach will further fan the flames, the partisan division,” he said.

The 10 votes from the minority party are the most for any presidential impeachment, topping the five cast by Democrats for some articles in the 1998 Bill Clinton impeachment.

Republicans Voting For Impeachment

  1. Liz Cheney of Wyoming
  2. Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio
  3. Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington
  4. Dan Newhouse of Washington
  5. John Katko of New York
  6. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
  7. Peter Meijer of Michigan
  8. Tom Rice of South Carolina
  9. Fred Upton of Michigan
  10. David Valadao of California

Cheney is the No. 3 House Republican. She was the only member of her party’s leadership to back impeachment. 

Trial in the Senate

The Constitution states a trial in the Senate will commence the next day. However, the Senate is in recess and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has stated the trial will be after January 20.

Constitutional Issue

This raises a Constitutional issue because Trump will already be removed. Biden becomes president on the 20th.

What's the Point?

Following conviction, the Senate has an option of banning Trump from office. That only takes a 50% vote which would happen easily.

What About McConnell?

McConnell is mum on whether he would vote to convict. I believe he would. 

Another reason to delay the vote is to wait for the two new Democratic Senators from Georgia to be sworn in. 

That makes 50 automatic votes for impeachment. If McConnell want to take out Trump, and I believe he does, he needs to come up with the votes.

Can McConnell come up with the votes? 

If McConnell openly supports conviction, I believe it will be a signal that he has the votes even if we cannot now name the Senators. 

Mish

Comments (77)
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Sechel
Sechel

It's pretty amazing Democrats got 10. That's a very high number considering 130 House Republicans signed onto the scheme of invalidating the 2020 election.

numike
numike

The Invention—and Reinvention—of Impeachment
It’s the ultimate political weapon. But we’ve never agreed on what it’s for.

Louis Winthorpe III
Louis Winthorpe III

All but 10 GOP Reps are in favor of defending insurrection. Unbelievable.

I thought it might only be Trump who is an Enemy of American Democracy, but it might be most of the GOP if they can't be bothered to fulfill their oath to defend the Constitution.

Sechel
Sechel

Never in a court of justice would 130 Republicans who signed onto a scheme to overturn the election be allowed to serve as jurors on a trial to declare impeachment. These are not unbiased jurors. They were co-conspirators. If one wanted to be generous you could say that while they signed onto a scheme to over-turn a valid election they never approved of the violence. Either way I find ten republicans joining in quite successful.

Shame now that Freedom caucus members insistent on doing Trump's business want to now strip Liz Cheney of her leadership role. 10 Republicans is still far higher than what they got on the last impeachment.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple

Open Letter to the Revolutionaries:

Let's grant that you overthrow the US Government.

What then? What's your plan?

I have an open mind, please sell the Revolution to me.

Sechel
Sechel

Peter Meijer explains why he voted for impeachment. He's one of the Republican Congressmen that supported. His rationale may be key to getting Republican Senators on board.

"I was in the House chamber when it was being attacked a week ago today. That was a moment that called for leadership. I was hoping to see the President rapidly try to de-escalate, try to denounce, try to stop the violence from occurring, and he abandoned his post," Meijer, a Michigan freshman lawmaker told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

Kimo
Kimo

That RINO list correlates well with war mongering.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple

The trial should delayed for months if not a year. More articles should be added. The trial needs to be an all-encompassing expose of all of the crimes of the Trump Administration, its lawyers, donors, media, et. al. By stretching it out for months, Trump's legal bills will run in the $10s if not $100s of millions.

If Trump can't be removed before his term expires, then there is no need to rush, no time limit at all.

Get it ALL on the record.

njbr
njbr

Let it stretch out in the schedule a year and a half until mid-term.

Wait for the full investigation and report is issued on the whole process from election day until post-inauguration.

Let's see what turns up if Guiliani and associated lawyers are disbarred. Lets see what cooperation between there was between politicians and rioters.

Lets see whatever nonsense Trump tries to get up to. Lets see the indictments from the various pending lawsuits.

There is time now.

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

Meanwhile, 4000 people died of covid today. That is 1 person every 20 seconds in the USA. 20,000 have died in the last 7 days and that compares to 22000 that died of the flu for the whole year last year.

The vaccine distribution is one big sorry joke. Kiss 2021 bye. Free money for everyone but the real taxpayers.

SAKMAN
SAKMAN

I mean yeah, thats right, co splay riot.

On the otherhand, I'd like to see a fight between that guy and you. I think he would shut you up real quick, internet tough guy.

Daveyp19
Daveyp19

I think proving intent to incite insurrection is difficult. There's no doubt his utter failure to act to restore calmness and "LAW AND ORDER " (imagine his different reaction if it had been BLM folk) was a dereliction of his Presidential oath. I wish the charges were more about his inaction rather than a possibly futile attempt to ascribe motive. Commonsense says his whole endless BS about electoral fraud fomenting the backdrop but commonsense and law often diverge....

tedr
tedr

And the Senate will not hear the case. We all watch the news. What is your point?

Daveyp19
Daveyp19

I think McConnell has the power to bury Trump. I think Trump's very public slagging of Pence and McConnell won't be sitting well. With Elaine Chao sitting over the dinner table McConnell could be in a combative frame of mind. Possibly......

Realist
Realist

Trump will end up in history books as the worst President ever.

I am looking forward to the investigations that will take place over the next several months. I wonder how many Republican elected officials were complicit? And how many of Trump's appointees and advisors were also involved.

In the meantime, I am watching to see how many other attacks take place.

It's quite a show.

Meanwhile the US is suffering huge numbers of daily cases and deaths from the virus that Trump ignored for the last year. Here are the January numbers so far.

Jan 1 F 224,392:2258

Jan 2 Sa 236,387:2078

Jan 3 Su 201,374:1398

Jan 4 M 199,046:1985

Jan 5 Tu 234,711:3769

Jan 6 W 261,401:4100

Jan 7 Th 279,204:4245

Jan 8 F 307,607:4010

Jan 9 Sa 256,748:3247

Jan 10 Su 220,810:1839

Jan 11 M 217,601:2055

Jan 12 Tu 230,098:4491

Jan 13 W 236,462:4098

For comparison, here are Australia's numbers for the last 10 months:

28,633:909

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Even if McConnell does not have the votes, the point is to stand up for what is right. No one with a brain believes or has evidence that the election was stolen. This is the biggest problem for the Rethuglican party going forward. They have turned into a party of conspiracy theorists and thugs who resort to violence even against government when they cannot put together a cogent argument on any issue. I suspect at some point a politician or two gets knocked off by one of these terrorists. They are domestic terrorists to a tee and many of them will spend the rest of their lives in federal prison. The Republicans no longer have a leg to stand on on any issue because of Trump. The Republican party needs to remake itself. It has turned into the party of the Confederate states of America. Even the name Republican is going to repulse many people for years to come after Trump.

Johnson1
Johnson1

BEIJING — Mainland China on Thursday reported the first new Covid-19 death since May as authorities try to control a spike in cases just outside of Beijing.

Amazing they have only had one death in 7 months. I guess they somehow have more natural immunity to COVID-19 than the rest or the world?

Sechel
Sechel

Trump has still not told his supporters the election was fair, congratulated Joe Biden, say Biden won fairly or pledge his support to make the Biden administration a success.

Too much to ask? I don't think so. Finally a week after January 6th and after he gets impeached he puts out a video. Trump's just trying to save his ass.

Bases on what happened and the lack of any contrition he needs to face consequences. We need to send a message to the history books and future generations.

amigator
amigator

This is a major setback for USA. The message sent, if you look a little deeper, is that if you are not a political insider forget about trying to run for office especially an office that really matters. We will hound you from day one and impeach you whenever we can search your closets and try to humiliate you beyond belief.

We need a change in Washington so Trump was not the guy, but he showed that someone from the outside could run and win what a positive for the US. We are not going to find the change we need by electing tenured Politicians.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels

I think Trump is being very brave ! He must be very much aware of several swords of Damocles hanging above his head yet he refuses to budge on his convictions, he refuses to kiss ass(es) to save his own.....Like I said BRAVE, I had never expected this from a guy like him.....Admirable stance ...Yep !

Sechel
Sechel

Trump took an oath to protect against enemies foreign and domestic. Last week there was a dometic threat and he did nothing to stop it.

Tezza
Tezza

Okay now Mish and his followers have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Good luck.

truthseeker
truthseeker

Hey Mish if I were Catholic, I guess I would thank you for taking my confession last night which is always supposed to be private almost like you knew that, saving me from next day embarrassment. Once again sorry, so I hope I don’t cause you more problems in my attempt to liven things up, more than I’m worth!???


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