Trump is a Fraud and a Disgrace to the United States

Mish

Trump proclaimed victory. Many Republicans chastised him for doing so.

Trump Proclaims a Win

Trump: "This is a fraud to the American public. This is a fraud on the nation. This is an embarrassment to our country.  We won this election."

Ben Shapiro Chimes in

"No, Trump has not already won the election, and it is deeply irresponsible for him to say he has."

Shapiro gained a lot of respect from me for that honest Tweet.

GOP Election Lawyer Chimes In

Let's Count Arizona, Nothing Else 

Fox News Chris Wallace Chimes In

"This goes back to what Biden said which is: The president does not get to say that he has won states , the American people get to say it," said Wallace.

"These states, by state law routinely are unable to count votes by election night. There is no question these states can continue to count votes for days."

Mike Pence

Rick Santorum

Chris Christie

Two Lies and a Strawman

Two Lies Plus an Absurd Strawman

No one cast any votes after the polls were closed. Counting them after the polls are closed is standard procedure.

Trump's proclamation of victory before the votes were counted are all you need as a reason to hope he lost no matter who you voted for.

President Trump is a fraud and an embarrassment to our country. 

My Most Likely Scenario Biden 308 Trump 230

I stayed up all night

Based on where remaining votes are this is my most likely scenario

Mish Most Likely Scenario Nov 4, 6 AM

Mish.

Comments (219)
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Lance Manly
Lance Manly

I stayed out of the Fearful of Violence post because I believe the vast majority of Americans are accepting of legal processes. But with Trump egging them on there is not telling what 10% fringe groups are going to do.

AshH
AshH

This is what we've been saying for years. Obstruction of justice, withholding public funds to Ukraine for personal gain, botching the coronavirus response, the lies, the smears, the name-calling, and now claiming election fraud without a shred of evidence. I'm amazed that people still can't see him as the disgusting selfish sleezeball that he is.

Jojo
Jojo

If Biden loses then all the senior Dem PTB who were behind his resurrection and eventual nomination will need to be removed and sent into forced retirement.

Meanwhile:

ON THE MONEY Mystery Brit gambler bets $5MILLION on Donald Trump election victory in the ‘largest political wager ever made’
2 Nov 2020, 20:33

FromBrussels
FromBrussels

OH DEAR, just imagine how utterly boring life will be be, or would be, without Trump; the biased media must be secretly hoping for a Trump win if you ask me, not to mention cesspool journalists no longer able to dig up juicy, yet insignificant, sex scandals and marital problems, and what about the HOAX of all pathetic hoax viz the four years ongoing totally ridiculous and unfounded Russia dunnit chronical, the so called outrageous tax evasion nonsense.... absolutely everything will abruptly come to an end, the roaring with laughter late night comedy shows running out of inspiration... yes, even you Miss, gonna kind of mish(:-) him of that I am sure....hey there's even a chance that C19 finally stops being a main issue in the US, post Trump...

Scooot
Scooot

Has there ever been an American election at which all the votes were counted by the close of polling day? If not, and Trump gets his way, wouldn’t that make all past elections null & void, including 2016.

His stance is bazaar, it’s like saying you didn’t do the best golf round because you added your score up the following day.

Sechel
Sechel

It was widely reported that Trump was going to declare premature victory. Why is anyone surprised? The fake news media has been very accurate here. Trump's never been a politician. Hes a pugilist. This is Trump being what he is.

Lance Manly
Lance Manly

BTW: Wisconsin just went a tiny bit for Biden. Trump's path would be quite narrow in the realistic case that it stays that way.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Biden just took a tiny lead in Wisconsin

Most of what’s left is R counties but also most of what’s left is absentee
Plus a big chunk in Milwaukee

Nate Cohn:
This is vaguely reminiscent of 11 p.m. in 2016 ... but in reverse (and in slow motion): Biden’s the narrow favorite in PA, WI, MI, AZ, NV, GA, and it could take a while.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Wisconsin and Georgia would be a Biden Win

Mish
Mish

Editor

Nate Silver: I have non-public version of our paths-to-270 interactive where I can enter in provisional ratings instead of calling states outright. If you treat NV, AZ and WI as "likely Biden", NC as "likely Trump", and GA, PA and MI as "toss-up", then Biden is 83% to win eventually.

Mish
Mish

Editor

I do not know if the states Silver just mentioned are tossups.
But Right now Biden appears to be a slight favorite in WI and GA

He could easily win all 4 by very tiny margins

Mish
Mish

Editor

NYT: The absentee ballot results in Green Bay, Wis., are delayed because one of the vote-counting machines ran out of ink. An elections official had to return to City Hall to get more.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Wisconsin 95% of vote counted per WSJ vs 89% NYT

Mish
Mish

Editor

Nevada Update

302010
302010

YOU are the fraud and disgrace. I have never EVER witnessed a more liberal bias. If the situation wre reversed and Biden claimed an early victory I wonder if we would be hearing the seem vomit?????

Sechel
Sechel

Biden still has a viable path, but I see him as the underdog. What the hell happened in Michigan? Mistake in not picking Klobuchar and overzealou progressives . Also the Hispanic vote has been severely misjuged.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Nate Cohn on Nevada

Mish
Mish

Editor

Sechel you are not factoring absentee votes in MI properly.

Biden may well be ahead.

If Biden holds WI he only needs one of MI, PA, NC, GA

I have him favored in GA, losing in NC with at least 50-50 chances in MI and PA

Lance Manly
Lance Manly

Michigan, Biden is down 65k from NYT:

"Presidential results by county
So far, Biden appears to have flipped Antrim County. According to turnout estimates, around 550,000 votes remain in counties won by Hillary Clinton in 2016. Trump 2016 counties have around 250,000 votes left to report"

That's not a big wall to clime

Herkie
Herkie

Something is VERY fishy in Florida. There was a ballot initiative to raise the minimum wage to $15 that the GOP was dead set against, even I had to think long and hard as a democrat because while Miami Dade and Broward are high cost counties the rest of the state is relatively affordable, I didn't move here for the great political climate, I moved here because it was one of the last places I could AFFORD to move to.

Yet as of now that initiative is passed with more than 60% of the vote, and there just is no way Trump supporters would be more than doubling the minimum wage for poors in one stroke, in fact triple, because minimum wage in Florida is only $5.15, only jobs subject to the Fair Labor Standards Act must pay the current Federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.

It looks to me like at the least Florida was rigged somehow, by someone.

There are 14,065,627 total registered voters in 2020, yet only 10.9 million voted? We were seeing far higher turnout for me to believe that 3 million just did not vote. Yet there were enough on the left to pass the wage increase.

Mish
Mish

Editor

I expect a Biden win in MI

Realist
Realist

Well. This has been interesting to watch. Many of the predictions were correct: Trump declares early victory and then asks the Supreme court to stop the vote counting because the election is a fraud.

It will be fun to watch this play out over the next few days, or weeks, or months.

Good luck America!

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Sounds like Biden will eke it out. I hope that doesn't result in chaos.

Mish
Mish

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NYT: Green Bay update: Biden picked up 4,000 votes on Trump there with the absentee counting, per the Brown County clerk. Once it gets uploaded to AP, Biden will lead Wisconsin by about 11,000 votes with Kenosha still outstanding.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

And yes, Trump is a fraud and a liar and dangerous.......just as I've said all along. His reprehensible behavior last night (glad I missed it) is just one more example of his deeply flawed character and his overriding narcissism.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Guessing Biden will win PA as well in another squeaker

There's additional upside for Biden, as well.
--most remaining eday votes are PHI/burbs
--mail ballots can arrive after the election, and wouldn't be counted here
--also worth wondering whether these tally include election day drop box ballots?

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Tomorrow then...or maybe before the day is over. I don't think Trump can stop the process.

Look for him to take over for Rush.

Never Sir Ender
Never Sir Ender

Many or Trump's points are relevant. When have you ever seen a State just decide to stop counting votes? That is far more embarrassing and portending to fraud than a President just tweeting his thoughts.

frozeninthenorth
frozeninthenorth

Worse possible outcome, this close a race after a guy like Trump lies at every turn. This will end badly. Starting today Trump will talk of fraud and how to remove the counting of absentee ballots.

caradoc-again
caradoc-again

Trump embodies the essence of the United States to many abroad.
There's no separating the two.
He is a product of the country, like cheese to the French.

Goblueguy
Goblueguy

I hail from a swing county in Michigan, Monroe , that has reliably predicted all but two elections since 1952, it missed 1968 and 2000. Monroe overwhelmingly voted for Trump this time, 61% to 37%

AnotherJoe
AnotherJoe

Lets all be honest please. Trump has built his life on lies and cheating. Why would anyone expect anything else from him?
He cheated on all his wives.
He cheated his way out of serving his country
He cheated his way out of paying taxes (one of the reasons he is being investigated)
He cheated on his bankers (one of the reasons he is being investigated)
He lied about his grades (Yes because if you are top of your class you demand your grades never to be disclosed)
He cheated on his friends when it was advantageous for him
He cheated on the contractor who built his hotels

So considering that in this situation if he does not get elected he will be facing financial ruin and maybe jail. Why is anyone surprise that he is doing what he is doing?
Really how is it possible Mish that you just realize that he is a fraud and a disgrace to the US for what he just did? What would have been surprising (and out of character) is him NOT doing what he did.

Lance Manly
Lance Manly

Georgia Senate is interesting, could be a couple of runoffs.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Thanks for pointing out the Ben Shapiro tweet. He gained a lot of credibility with me on that one too.

The IDW conservative podcasters are generally spot on in their critique of the Democrats and their phony baloney identity politics....but too many times they turn into campaigners and apologists for Trump.....which makes them lose points with me.

Sechel
Sechel

This is my point all along. Its ridiculous to have a policy debate when we have a fitness to lead issue

2thguy
2thguy

Mish, I find myself losing respect for you as almost everyday you post bitter salty attacks on Trump. It's like you have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Why don't you direct your energy towards something positive. You are making yourself unhappy and losing credibility along the way.

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Mish, what is your take on Vladimir Vladimirovich's rigging of this election? You are a computer expert. Does he have an AS-400 in the basement of the Kremlin?

Lance Manly
Lance Manly

Trump's MI lead down to 27k, and still a big bunch of votes to come from Wayne county. It is over for Trump there.

frozeninthenorth
frozeninthenorth

You know Mish of all the things Trump has said over the past four years -- this is one of the least objectionable! Let's be honest Trump outperformed what pollsters were "predicting"

Anon1970
Anon1970

My favorite video of the election campaign:

Look for the video posted by Tobias M.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels

Mish, you know what REALLY is a disgrace for the US ? Lemme tell you : 4 years of relentless bashing, harassment, false and utterly idiotic, baseless accusations and outrageous impeachment attempts by a sore losers, self declared politically correct, bunch of whining socialist suckers and their totally biased news outlets! THAT is a disgrace NEVER seen in America's history, therefore I consider Trump the MORAL winner of this totally unexpected neck and neck battle, even if you get your new worthless deep state puppet, corrupt president who literally took advantage of a pandemic to win the presidency ! Under normal circumstances Trump's victory would ve been a piece of cake, no doubt about it.

Sechel
Sechel

cnn is staffe by morons. they have on the a.g. the anchor literally asked him to predict who was going to win. the response is i'm not here to be a political punit. that was embarassing

Mish
Mish

Editor

Biden in the lead in MI

Johnson1
Johnson1

I am just ready for all this to be over. Not crazy about either candidate. If Biden wins at least the protests will stop.

Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat

Like people like president. tRump is a reflection of what American people are. Whoever eventually wins this election may still to be debated, but the loser is already known and it’s the American people. The great old USA has passed its glorious peak, and is accelerating its sliding downhill.

KidHorn
KidHorn

Biden's probably going to win, but to completely dismiss the possibility of cheating is insane. Both sides are doing everything they can to win and there's circumstantial evidence on both sides.

Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon

Still sticking with Georgia. I wondered about that.

It is becoming clear even without Georgia, the days of Donald Trump's presidency are coming to a quick close.

Let's hope we can repair the damage of this fraud. For me, being a Tea Party libertarian, I feel the liberty movement was set back decades as the Tea Party forgot what they stood for in their embrace of Trump. Clearly deficits and taxes weren't their beef.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

So..it looks like the Democrats keep the House and the Republicans keep the Senate.

In Texas Cornyn beat Hegar by about 8 points...which was consistent with the pre-election polling. In the early hours last night it was obvious that Hegar ran a very close campaign in the urban counties, coming within a point.....but as I expected, the later reporting rural counties hurt her.....and the same phenomenon took Biden's early Texas lead.

My local Republican Chip Roy held on to his gerrymandered district with no problem.....as I expected.

I expect it will take at least two more election cycles for Texas to really get close to going blue....LatinX voters seem to have lived up to predictions that they would go for Trump in the 40% range.....and spanner in the works of the Democratic demographic future of this sate and some others.

millynical
millynical

Mish - what's your take on the Michigan ballot dump, the 138k votes seemingly all for Biden. Any idea on the reasoning behind it? Surely officials have to address it or it is bound inflame tensions and draw more Trump ire on twitter.

silverdog148
silverdog148

Looks like Biden is going to pull out the win, but it will be very close, but a win is still a win. Declaring the election prematurely well, classic Trump.

I'm surprised by how well Trump did with his base, clearly he has strong support there, outperforming even himself in 2016. This strong electorate should not be overlooked they are also a part of America, if anything it shows Trump is not a "one off", this is the biggest revelation from the election.


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