Second Debate Cancelled, Biden Wins by Default

Mish

Trump refuses to do a virtual debate so the sponsors formally cancelled the event.

"Not Going to Waste My Time"

Yesterday, Trump announced “I’m not going to waste my time on a virtual debate."

Today, NPR reports Thursday's Presidential Debate Canceled After Spat Over Coronavirus Safety Concerns.

"On October 8, CPD announced that for the health and safety of all involved, the second presidential debate, scheduled for October 15 in Miami, would be conducted virtually," the commission said in a statement Friday.

"Subsequently, the campaigns of the two candidates who qualified for participation in the debate made a series of statements concerning their respective positions regarding their willingness to participate in a virtual debate on October 15, and each now has announced alternate plans for that date.

"It is now apparent there will be no debate on October 15," the commission said.

Organizers said the final debate on Oct. 22 is still scheduled to take place at Belmont University in Nashville with testing, masking and social distancing protocols in place. It will be a one-on-one debate moderated by NBC News correspondent Kristen Welker.

Victory by Default

Trump desperately needed a debate knockout. Anything else was a loss.

Not showing up was a big loss.

Instead, Biden will conduct a Town Hall style meeting virtually and Trump will campaign in person in Florida.

In other news, Trump warns Iran not to "f*** around with us"  

Mish

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Jojo
Jojo

In other, other news:

South Carolina Senate debate scrapped after virus testing fight
Democrat Jaime Harrison called for GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham to be tested for coronavirus before they debated Friday night, but Graham balked at the demand.
10/09/2020 09:25 PM EDT

Realist
Realist

Trump is having a meltdown in front of the entire world. (Proud boys, stand by. Your President will need you soon.)

Greggg
Greggg

Mish, remember when he skipped the debate in 2016 and went to his own rally? Watch Trafalgar polls, they predicted the upset last election. Still voting for Ron Paul. Off party voting accounted for 6.9% in the last presidential election.

TimeToTest
TimeToTest

Has 2020 been the least bit predictable?

Maybe that’s the reason Biden is debating in the first place. Up by double digits but still debating the underdog? Makes no sense.

RunnerDan
RunnerDan

Mish, good news! You are mistaken, as I just posted on your outdated post about this:

TRUMP IS WILLING TO DEBATE BIDEN!!!

"Let's fight after school, one-on-one, without all your friends around." -Trump

Classic!

RunnerDan
RunnerDan

"In other news, Trump warns Iran not to "f*** around with us""

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cause I've never heard a Democrat use a swear word! Well, actually I have - towards fellow Americans. Trump used it against the largest state sponsor (and Obama and Biden's good buddy) of terrorism. Oh, well...

Doug78
Doug78

How can you win a debate if there is no debate?

Sechel
Sechel

Not just Trump but Graham too who refused to take a covid test. Not sure it was a mistake for Trump. The last debate clearly didn't help him. He gets far more reach by doing 90 minutes of Tucker or Hannity or Bartiromo. Of course Biden doesn't have to play defense when Trump does cable and Biden leads. At this point the Biden strategy is clearly not to make mistakes and protect the lead.

Sechel
Sechel

This might be why Graham refused to do his 2nd debate

long memory man
long memory man

Why is it every time I look at the USA stories they are about looting, fire, killings and all want to have a fight. Is your country totally bonkers? Like most of my peers, I spent my life working to pay mortgages and raise my family, not chanting in the streets with my children on my shoulders, this is banana republic stuff. favourite saying? it aint my fault. Shameful way to behave.

numike
numike

Let’s honor National Substance Use Prevention Day
"California is gonna have to ration water. You wanna know why? Because they send millions of gallons of water out to sea, out to the Pacific. Because they want to take care of certain little tiny fish, that aren't doing very well without water." -- Trump

Carl_R
Carl_R

Trump seems to be doing one stupid thing a day. His core tolerates it, but the rest of the country is pushed more and more firmly into the Biden camp. Trump couldn't have done a more thorough job of destroying the Republican Party if he had tried, though it isn't just him; the Republican Party began the process of self-destruction many years ago. Once upon a time, the Republicans were a majority of voters, sometimes won Presidential elections by landslides, and controlled both houses of Congress. There is virtually no chance that they will control anything at the Federal level again for at least a dozen years.

What is a great way to dismantle a party?

  1. Demand that everyone have identical beliefs. Call everyone else names, like "RINO" or "liberal", demand that they leave the party, and tell them to go vote for Democrats.
  2. Become the anti-Science party
  3. Become the economically illiterate party
  4. Cater to the rich, but expect your votes to come from the lower middle class
  5. Always divide, never unite (with each division, a few more people will be pushed out of the party)
  6. Tolerate bigots and hatred within the party
  7. Chase the elderly out of the party by promoting the spread of Covid

Back in the 80's, the Republican Party was the "Big Tent Party", and everyone was both wanted and welcome. The party conventions had some heated disagreements, but everyone was welcome. You had pro-life people and pro-choice people. You had Charter school people and NEA people. Today, I doubt they have much disagreement at their conventions, but I also expect they have a lot less people.

How long will it take for Republicans to reconsider their attitudes, and to win elections again? There is no chance that a single loss will do it, in my opinion. I think that after this, they will continue to focus on their core even more, and continue to do what they are doing.

Sechel
Sechel

Donald Trump is mentally ill

Mbartv
Mbartv

Why media blackout on credible report from sex workers on Lindsay Graham’s notorious habitual use of male prostitutes? Why protect this hypocrite when he’s trying to confirm a SCJ who will join in repealing Marriage equality.

bradw2k
bradw2k

A virtual debate means each candidate speaks for 2 mins or whatever at a time with no interruptions. That's an uncomplementary set up for someone looking to showcase his own bullying personality, hoping it causes his opponent to fall apart. No surprise that Trump is only open to another chance to interrupt and yell over Biden. Even if he could muster a calm voice of reason (he can't), that's never been his path to popularity.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

I'm still very worried about Trump....when I hear interviews with ordinary people who are attracted to him.....because usually their level of understanding anything having to do with policy.....is very, very low.

The recent interviews I heard on the radio this last week of Trump supporters in Pennsylvania......they respond to the kind of MAGA sloganeering that any thinking person has to laugh at.

In their minds they are creating a Trump they want to believe in...a hero who is going to bring back the jobs and reverse the negative effects of 40 years of globalism.

The Trump they believe in is not the real Trump.....he's the guy they WANT...the equivalent of a brawling comic book superhero battling a political establishment they blame for their decline in standard of living.

So all the bad stuff.....the racism, the bad trade policies, his attempts to subvert every institution, get away with all kinds of misbehavior and avoid the legal system by appointing a loyal sycophant to pervert the Justice Department.....to destroy diplomacy by putting another opportunistic sycophant in charge of the State Department.....these really scary things....go right over their heads.

RonJ
RonJ

There never was going to be a debate anyway, just another Biden & fake "moderator" ambush of Trump, like was done with Democrat Wallace advocating for Biden.
"Moderator" 2 was an intern for Biden and was anti-Trump.

EGW
EGW

You can't really say it was a win by default. The debate just never happened because both sides could not come to an agreement on the terms. A while back Joe Rogan offered to hold a debate between Trump and Biden...I believe Trump accepted and Biden didn't...that doesn't mean Trump won by default. The whole idea of debates is kind of stupid since most people already know who they are going to vote for, and also because the moderators tend to be terribly biased or incompetent.