I Endorse Jo Jorgensen for President

Mish

There is a choice and I made mine long ago. It's time for an endorsement.

Jo Jorgensen for President

I get emails every day of two types.

  1. How can you be for Biden?
  2. How can you be for Trump?

I get more of the former than the latter but the frequency depends on whether I defend one or the other on anything. 

I announced long ago that I would not vote for either of them and that I would vote Libertarian. 

Today, I make an official endorsement. 

Why?

Neutrality and Peace

Please look at Jo's Platform on Neutrality and Peace.

“MY PLAN IS TO TURN AMERICA INTO ONE GIANT SWITZERLAND, ARMED AND NEUTRAL, WITH THE MILITARY FORCE TO DEFEND AMERICA’S SHORE AND SOIL AGAINST ANY FOREIGN ATTACKERS OR INVADERS, PROTECTED BY AN ARMED CITIZENRY, AND A MILITARY LASER-FOCUSED ON DEFENDING AMERICA.

NO US INVOLVEMENT IN FOREIGN WARS. BRING HOME OUR 200,000 PLUS AMERICAN MILITARY PERSONELL STATIONED IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES, AND NO US MILITARY AID TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS. NO US BLOCKADES OR EMBARGOES OF NON-MILITARY TRADE.

PEACE, AT LAST.”

Trump's Act of Wars

People tell me Trump has not started any wars. That's a fallacy.

His embargoes on Iran and Venezuela are acts of war, far worse than any naval blockade. 

Worse yet, Trump has forced the entire world to honor the embargoes, under threats of sanctions against them too. 

Virtually none were necessary for America’s self-defense. Yet these needless wars caused the injuries or deaths of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers…and the waste of trillions of tax dollars — and the creation of trillions of dollars of federal government debt. U.S. government involvement in these wars caused the deaths and injuries of hundreds of thousands of people in foreign lands. And cost their citizens trillions of dollars in taxes and destruction. And needlessly created hundreds of thousands of enemies for us.

A vote for Trump is a vote for more of the same. 

More tariffs, more weapons sales to Saudi Arabia, more meddling in the Mideast and he still has not brought the troops from Afghanistan, Iraq, or Syria. 

Trump and Biden Budget Deficits

Trump promised to balance the budget. Did he? 

Of course not, and neither will Biden. 

The deficit under Trump soared out of control even before Covid hit, and much of it was due to absurd military spending.

Jo's Platform on Government Spending

Please look at Jo's Platform on Government Spending and Debt.

“AS PRESIDENT, I WILL USE MY CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO BLOCK ANY NEW BORROWING. I WILL VETO ANY SPENDING BILL THAT WOULD LEAD TO A DEFICIT, AND VETO ANY DEBT CEILING INCREASE. I WILL GIVE EVERY CABINET SECRETARY A SPECIFIC SPENDING REDUCTION TARGET TO MEET AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. THERE IS SIMPLY NO EXCUSE FOR STICKING OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN WITH THE BILL FOR THESE BIPARTISAN BLOATED BUDGETS.”

Republicans promise that every year (in which Democrats are in power). 

In years Republicans are in power (like now), they are strangely silent.

I have had enough. Haven't you?

Trump on Tariffs 

Trump has made a mess of trade. Our farmers are suffering and so are importers of goods.

Over 3,500 Corporations are So Fed Up With Trump's Tariffs They Sue the US.

And Trump Threatens China With a "Big Price" for Covid

Economic illiterates, warmongers, and bullies support Trump's actions.

Biden rates to be better but only because Trump is in a class by himself.

Jo's Platform on Tariffs

Please look at Jo's Platform on Tariffs.

THE FREEDOM TO TRADE AND TRAVEL IS FUNDAMENTAL TO HUMAN LIBERTY. AS AMERICAN CITIZENS, WE SHOULD BE FREE TO TRAVEL ANYWHERE WE CHOOSE, AND TO BUY AND SELL ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. AS PRESIDENT, I WILL USE MY CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO ELIMINATE TRADE BARRIERS & TARIFFS, AND WORK TO REPEAL ARBITRARY QUOTAS ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN LEGALLY ENTER THE UNITED STATES TO WORK, VISIT, OR RESIDE.

It's easy to find some faults in the above. Open borders and free benefits are not compatible. Then again, Jo is not in favor of Medicare for All and other types of free benefits.

Healthcare

Biden and the Democrats want something that will morph into Medicare for All. Lord only knows what Kamela Harris wants. 

Trump wasted enormous amounts of energy trying to dismantle Obamacare with no real plan as to how to go about it.

Please look at Jo's Platform on Healthcare.

“REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC POLICIES OVER THE PAST FIFTY YEARS ARE THE REASON HEALTH CARE HAS BECOME SO EXPENSIVE. THEIR LATEST PROPOSALS TO ‘FIX’ HEALTH CARE WILL FURTHER MICROMANAGE YOUR DOCTORS AND RESTRICT YOUR ACCESS TO CARE WHILE FAILING TO SOLVE THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM. THEY DIFFER ONLY ON WHETHER THIS SHOULD BE DONE BY PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES OR GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS. THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE CAN REDUCE THE COST OF HEALTH CARE 75% BY ALLOWING REAL PRICE COMPETITION, AND BY SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCING GOVERNMENT AND INSURANCE COMPANY PAPERWORK. THIS WILL MAKE HEALTH CARE AFFORDABLE FOR MOST AMERICANS, WHILE ALSO REDUCING THE COST OF LEGACY PROGRAMS LIKE MEDICARE, MEDICAID, AND THE VA.”

Here's more ....

Probably the biggest problem with our health-care system is that our health insurance isn’t insurance at all! In any other industry, insurance covers only unexpected costs, and because of that, costs remain relatively low. Meanwhile, our broken health-care system has insurance pay for everything, and removes all accountability.

Just think how expensive your car insurance would be if it paid for gas, oil changes, or car washes. 

You would have absolutely no reason to shop around for the best gasoline prices, because you’d simply take out your copay card at even the nicest gas stations. And the gas stations would have no reason to compete with each other on price. In fact, they could increase costs without you even knowing. They wouldn’t care because they’d get paid the big dollars anyway. 

This is exactly what has happened in our health-care system: there is absolutely no reason for patients to shop for better prices, and as a result, health-care providers have no reason to compete. Insurance companies can charge higher prices without any accountability, and we’re the ones left footing the bill. 

Unlike nearly every other procedure, the costs of Lasik and plastic surgery have gone down and their quality has improved, in large part because they are not covered by insurance.

Wasted Votes

People tell me a vote for Jo is a "wasted vote".

By the same token any votes in California, Illinois, New York are wasted because we all know who will win.

Actually, voting for Trump or Biden is a wasted vote because both will continue inane warmongering, neither will strive to reduce the budget deficit, Trump will continue destroying US jobs with inane tariffs.

How is voting for either Trump or Biden not wasting your vote?

For these reasons, I Endorse Jo Jorgensen for President.

Mish

Comments (210)
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CaliforniaStan
CaliforniaStan

In the context of Trump saying any result other than him winning is illegitimate, it is important to have the highest possible vote for Biden. Even if you know how your state is going, as I do in California, symbolically the vote is still important. Not to mention everything down ballot. As a registered Republican never-Trumper, the Party of Trump needs to get destroyed up and down the ballot if there is to be any hope of reviving a responsible Republican party.

Americanyellowvest
Americanyellowvest

I sent in a completely unmarked ballot.

Dean2020
Dean2020

I get the same reaction when I say I'm not voting for either Biden or Trump. Actually, first reaction is that they comment that you 'need' to vote. Of course I will vote but not for freak1 or freak2. The conversation of voting for the lessor of the two evils almost always follows. My comment, "Why would you vote for someone you consider evil?"

People are brainwashed into thinking they have only two choices. I think in reality that people that vote Biden or Trump only have 1 choice because the end result will remain the same. My wife and I registered for the Libertarian party a month back. I consider my vote a vote for change. Casting a Biden/Trump vote is a vote to continue along a path of inequality and destruction.

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Mish, I agree with everything you say about Jorgensen, good stuff.

Not a wasted vote even in IL, as it helps keep the party on the ballot for next time. That’s the r

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Reason why Jill Stein wanted recounts last time. However in Michigan her people found in Detroit area counties a c

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Certain major candidate had % vote that would make Brezhnev blush.

By the way, an embargo is not same as a blockade.

Sechel
Sechel

Armed citizenry? There is already some controversy with Jorgensen and Boogaloo. Whether she supports them or courts them is hardly the point. We have a problem with militias. We don't need more. This is a huge disqualifier.

Health care? Is she for the Swiss model which I like? I don't read that. Seems like under her plan if you can't afford it you get Tussin and prayers.

Switzerland is a successful country but a country with a largely homogeneous country the size of Israel. Yea they speak four languages but the differences are fewer than the similarities. It's no blueprint for the U.S. Sure they had 500 years of peace and prosperity but that was due to mountains and all they achieved was the Cookoo clock( see 3rd man).

I still go back to my point that 2020 is a binary choice. We all know its gointo be Biden or Trump. Yea some will write in Ronald Reagan but it ain't happening. Four years ago those that wrote in Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump

nzyank
nzyank
  1. Will she stop selling Arms abroad? If not, then she is pro war.
  2. Opening US borders to this extent is concerning. I think the US benefits from selective immigration, not open borders. Freedom to travel is different than freedom to immigrate.
  3. I don't think her heath care policy is realistic, and the lasik and plastic surgery examples are not representative. Many health care customers do not have the ability to price and quality shop due to the nature of the service. In NZ we have health care for all, and it works quite well.
Scooot
Scooot

There must be people who normally support either of the main parties that don’t like this time’s binary choice. If they all vote for an unlikely alternative it’s a message and maybe the first stages of change.

Realist
Realist

She lost me at ”armed citizenry”.

I wouldn't want to live in a country where citizens open carry their arsenals in public places. I can imagine the carnage if every single citizen walking around had pistols in their holsters and ar15s on their backs.

Good luck with your election America. I hope you get a tremendous turnout and that everyone’s vote is counted.

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

I endorse Mish for making a wise choice. I wish I could join you Mish but Trump has to go and Biden is the best way to make it happen. I will be voting against Biden in the next election, assuming he is still alive and running.

Greggg
Greggg

Given her platform I would expect Israel, AIPAC, the ADL, and the SPLC will vehemently campaign against her, which is an endorsement by itself.

Jojo
Jojo

Whatever makes you feel good...

Nothing is going to change in our political landscape until money is taken out of politics completely.

All political races should be paid for out of tax revenues with perhaps relatively small contributions allowed ONLY by private citizens. No money from companies, corporations, PACs, etc. would be allowed. If you were caught funneling money to a politicians/campaign, the penalty would be mandatory jail time plus some fine.

Political campaigns should be limited to say 8-12 weeks, as some countries currently do. No political advertising, interviews or discussions would be permitted prior to the official start of each campaign in an effort to eliminate the 2-3 year long, "what if", "horse race" campaigns we currently have, thus hopefully forcing the MSM to focus on real news that matters to a greater number of people.

A major additional benefit of public funded campaigns in this manner would be to expand the pool of who could/would run for office, assuming they meet some basic qualifications (TBD), thus opening up the talent pool significantly.

OTOH, the MSM would lose significant political advertising $$ so they would not be happy with short, low expense campaigns. Political "pundits" would need to look for another line of work. Talking head news anchors might need to find another line of work. Lastly, swamp denizens, power brokers, lobbyists & lawyers would also be losers and therefore likely against any such reforms.

Carl_R
Carl_R

Mish, I totally agree. I will be voting for Jo Jorgensen.

What is wasting a vote? Wasting a vote is voting for someone you don't believe in. I don't believe in Biden. I don't believe in Trump. A vote for either would be a total waste. Not wasting a vote is to vote for what you believe in, and I believe in Jo's platform. Oh, there are minor disagreements, but nothing that bothers me. On the other hand, Trump is appalling, and Biden threatens to be awful as well.

If everyone chooses the perceived "lesser of two evils", the only choices they ever will have to choose from will be evil. The only way to force the two major parties to reform is to have other parties rise to compete with them. We've seen that happen in Europe, and it can happen here. If people agree with Libertarians, they should vote Libertarian, and as their vote count grows, they will be taken seriously. If people agree with Greens, or Socialists, they should vote Green or Socialist.

What we have now is a vicious circle. People say "Libertarians can't win", so they don't vote for them, so they struggle in the shadows, and can never get off the ground. Even if 30% of the people agree with them, so long as the vote stays at 3%, they never make progress. In Europe it has become the norm for minor parties to play a factor, and so they capture the votes they deserve.

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020

Any vote not for Trump is one less vote for him. He actually would still have a shot because states like Texas and Georgia are up for grabs because Jorgensen is taking votes away from Trump much in the way that Jill Stein did in 2016 from Hillary. I encourage all conservatives to vote for Jorgensen in states like Texas and Georgia and even Florida and Ohio

ShowMeTheData
ShowMeTheData

While some aspects of the libertarian platform could benefit the country. A full-fledged adoption would inherently result in way more extreme income inequality, monopolies, and a destroyed environment.

Sechel
Sechel

I don't agree with your point about voting in NY and California. If i infer correctly you're speaking about general elections. In many locals the true decision making is done during the primaries.

As far as health care. We need to ensure citizenry takes care of their basic health and engages in preventative care. This saves money. It's a lot easier to deal with a small problem than a big one. It's just a fact that people face with limited means will sacrifice preventative health only to see a more expensive larger problem later. As a society we can't wait for people to show up at a hospital an then have everyone else's bill get jacked up so the hospital recoups their cost.

I' not a fan of the ACA solution. I prefer the Swiss model but this country is so messed up. I can't see Americans reacting well to their salaries being garnished without their will to a private insurance company providing their insurance.

Kimo
Kimo

Mish, your reasoning is sound. In support, I pine for the day that we can rank our votes amongst the top 4, detailed here:

Sumary:
Political system is not broke, but doing successfully what it's designed to do.
Don't divide the voters, but offer more choices.
Election reform
1 Primaries: restructure election process
a. move non-partisan single ballot primaries
b. top 4 vote getters advance
2 General Election, rank choice voting
a. drop the last candidate, re-allocate votes to remaining 3 candidate
b. rinse and repeat until one candidate gets 50% or over
note: eliminates 3rd party spoiler candidate problem, which enhances competition
3 Non-partisan redistricting

Legislative reforms
note: 5 centrist congressmen could tip the balance either way on a vote
Lobbying reform

njbr
njbr

Given the drubbing that it looks like Trump will get, I think the best course is for the Trump-forever people is to start their own party--perhaps call it the Trump Party.

After all isn't the GOP just hanging on through Trump's popularity?

Switch the message, dump the GOP foot-draggers. All Trump, all the time. Isn't that what is truly wanted?

New party--no need to mold to any other expectations.

After all, there are two more generations of Trump that can run under that party.

Donald/Ivanka 2024 !!

Sechel
Sechel

Jo Jorgansen is also against requiring parents to vaccinate children.

Do we really want to bring back Polio and Measles? The more I learn about her the less I like

Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat

America is on raging fire. The top priority is to extinguish the fire. Any argument on any other thing is wasting precious resources and is irresponsible.

Rusty Nail
Rusty Nail

Libertarianism is a fine personal philosophy, but an insufficient political or societal one.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Once again half my comments are disappearing as fast as they're made. I don't really think it's random.....somebody is censoring my comments....I have no idea who it is....I don't blame Mish....but it's happening almost every day......just thought I'd pass that on.....it will be interesting to see how long this little complaint is allowed to stay up.

dr smock
dr smock

Jorgensen is for deregulation of the markets and free trade. Unfortunately, deregulation is tantamount to stealing and free trade is not free. Our trade deficit has been on a parabolic journey since 1980 when taxes were cut for the rich cutting our savings rate. However, slick Willie Clinton boasted that he balanced the federal budget in the late nineties when he raised taxes on the rich. He indeed did it!!!!!! However, by that time, NAFTA and deregulation, which his tenure instituted, had caused the trade deficit to go from parabolic to falling off a cliff. Why? Because the trade deficit is a refection of a nation's savings rate and by the late nineties so many jobs had been outsourced that the average US citizen's savings rate had nose dived more than the savings increase from Willie's balancing the federal budget. The average US citizen savings was rapidly disappearing and he was going into debt to maintain his standard of living.

Mbartv
Mbartv

Like Trump, Jorgensen is right about some things (e.g. foreign policy, military complex) and wrong about others (deficit pearl-clutching when huge unused capacity, unemployment, infrastructure needs). That said, a vote for her is a vote for Trump. I wouldn’t want to live with that, although I suppose in CA you can afford to self indulge sending an idiosyncratic message.

dr smock
dr smock

Jorgensen is against the current laws of mandatory wearing of masks to prevent Covid-19. Maybe she knows a lot more about medicine and Covid than the overwhelming majority of our leading medical scientists and doctors. Hu knows!!!

nlightn
nlightn

Totally,..totally agree with Mish !

I'm voting for Jo !

I will not waste my vote on human garbage such as Trumposaurus or Bidenless.

It's time for a real person to enter the WH,...Jo is that person.

Now,..if we also can get rid of McConnell, Graham, Rubio, Cruz, and all the other ball-less punks that have sucked up to the Trumposaurus,...we just might have a country worth living in again.

Jo Jorgansen is the answer.

Call_me_Al
Call_me_Al

It is amazing how many people equate a vote for a non-R/D candidate as supporting either the R or D candidate!! (usually at the expense of their candidate of choice...<gasp>)

In 2016 almost 41% of eligible voters chose to not select a candidate, dwarfing the support for either major political party. It would be refreshing if that cohort would actively show they are not beholden to the D/R paradigm by choosing another option, so greater 'diversity' of political thought would be normalized.

Who is John Galt
Who is John Galt

It's not wasting a vote because it is helping bring to the light a political party that deserves attention. Last year I believe Gary Johnson had the most votes of a third party candidate in a long time. If Jo can surpass that, it might bring legitimacy to the party for the next election. I do believe that in 25 years or so the republican party will either break up or shift their views to become more libertarian. Conservatism has too many flaws that lose followers because of outdated ideologies. The government should be limited and civil liberties should be protected. Capitalism is king and the only way we can climb out of the deficit.

Ted R
Ted R

She probably would make a better president. I agree with you 100% about our health care system. It is a joke and completely bankrupt. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Webej
Webej

I salute this endorsement. I agree with virtually everything even though I am not libertarian. Two comments.

  1. Though Trump is an idiot, he has managed to keep bombing campaigns on the low side compared to most of his predecessors.
  2. The medical sector needs to be subject to the same kind of laws as other sectors: Your mechanic has to post prices and charge everybody the same price for the same operation, and works on the basis of a written estimate.
    Do you support ranked voting?
PreCambrian
PreCambrian

A vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote for Trump. I can understand your support for a minor party candidate in certain years but this is not the time. A vote for Trump is a vote for chaos and corruption.

anoop
anoop

I've never been able to understand why we have Green Party and Libertarian candidates when they have a zero chance of winning. Would a 50 year old person wake up one morning and decide they are going to train to win the Olympic gold medal for 100m?

truthseeker
truthseeker

Good grief Mish! So Jorgensen would ban no knock warrants. So we’ve got several bad ass thugs trapped in a house who obviously are well armed. So the cops go to the front door and start knocking, saying ok you guys, the house is surrounded so come on out with your hands in the air! Cops would be dead before the second knock! How silly can one be? Also to allow civil lawsuits against the police who have crossed the line according to someone is very ambiguous. Why would anybody ever want to join the policeforce in the country even today with all the hate, and defunding as they are told not to use tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets? Sadly police are being pushed out in America especially in urban areas to be replaced by troops and eventually martial law.

Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat

Jo is a non-conventional candidate with a lot of in-ordinary political proposals, just as tRump was in 2016. tRump attracted many voters unhappy with mainstream candidates, but has turned out to be a total disaster for humanity. What make people so sure that Jo is not another tRump?

In any case, Jo has no chance to win, so any vote for Jo is a vote less for Biden, thus increasing the chance of a tRump win.

vanderlyn
vanderlyn

hat tip to you, mish. you are intellectually honest and have a backbone and morals. unfortunately, not too common. keep it up, please.

Bohm-Bawerk
Bohm-Bawerk

wow, a lot of comments and emotion about this one.
Of course I agree 100% Mish.
Voting for someone is giving your consent to be ruled by them, and so just because others argue between these two does not mean that one should consent to these as the only options. Not voting, implies tacit consent.
Our country continues to get the president we deserve and until we wake up that will remain.
At least I go to bed knowing I didn't personally consent to whatever these self serving jackasses do as president. I did vote for Bush in 1988 based on the lesser of two evils argument but I knew better even then and still regret that vote.

FactsonJoe
FactsonJoe

Jo Jorgensen FACTS:

1.
Jo Jorgensen would crash and burn Social Security by allowing people to stop paying into Social Security on day ONE:

"Jorgensen stressed the limits in our constitutional system of how much libertarian change a president alone could unilaterally deliver. She said she'd be quick to veto excessive spending and to pardon victimless criminals, but she thinks those who have paid into Social Security deserve to get that money back—so she's against instantly killing the system entirely, though she said she would allow people to stop paying into it from day one."

2.
Jo Jorgensen presidency would lead to rampant destruction of the environment because Jo Jorgensen does NOT believe in regulation in that area but would instead demand that companies who poison environment would need to pay "restitution" for environmental damage or buy "insurance".

Anybody who has even a basic understanding of companies should realize that this would lead to companies destroying environment to get a competitive advantage and siphon profits away from the company and once it comes to pay the restitution the company will have no money and will be bankrupt so tax-payers will be left with destroyed environment and the bill for cleaning up what can be cleaned up and many kinds of pollution can NOT be cleaned up.

Those companies not planning to destroy environment as a business model would be hit with so large insurance fees from insurance companies that they would become totally uncompetitive.

" Jorgensen thinks a system of restitution for environmental damage plus insurance would likely mitigate future oil spills more than regulation does."

Jorgensen statements 1 and 2 from:

3.
Jorgensen is for unrestricted immigration and for NO BORDERS so when 40% of Middle East and North African countries youth and over 50% in sub-saharan Africa wants to move to USA or Europe according to surveys they should be able to move to USA and likewise for the tens of millions of South Americans who dream of USA according to Jorgensen:

" In a Libertarian presidential primary debate, Jorgensen said she would immediately stop construction on President Donald Trump's border wall. During another primary debate she blamed anti-immigration sentiment on disproportionate media coverage of crimes by immigrants. She argued that immigration helps the economy and that the blending of cultures is beneficial.[37][38][39][40]"

So when you are voting for Jorgensen you are voting for a person who believes media should NOT report crimes committed by immigrants so in essence you are voting for a person who believes in BRAINWASHING people by keeping the reality of immigrant/ILLEGAL immigrant committed crimes even more hidden than media does now.

Crimes committed by immigrants and especially by ILLEGAL immigrants are massively UNDERREPORTED in USA with most getting only local coverage and omitting the fact that the criminal was an immigrant or ILLEGAL immigrant.

FactsonJoe
FactsonJoe

Jo Jorgensen is ECONOMICALLY ILLITERATE because she believes "immigration helps the economy".

Bringing in the current 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants to USA (number from MIT-Yale study in 2018) has NOT helped the economy because these 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants have STOLEN tens of millions of jobs from AMERICANS thereby leading to many unemployed Americans and many people not in work force (work force participation rate in USA is low compared to many European countries) and this has increased the cost of government/state welfare programs (which has increased debt levels), increased despair and social problems and led to increased crimes among desperate Americans especially blacks which has furthered the prison-industrial-complex created by legislation WRITTEN by Joe Biden during Reagan, George H.W. Bush and first two years of Bill Clinton presidency culminating in the 1994 crime bill.

Further the 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants have, in addition to stealing tens of millions of jobs, LOWERED/STAGNATED American working class wages for tens of years for all Americans and this would have led to consumption dropping and companies profits crashing without The Fed creating policies that pushed massive levels of debt on Americans to keep the consumption going that was NO longer supported by wages.
So immigration has CAUSED huge piles of federal/state debt and consumer debt mountains.

Joe Biden also had a hand in enabling banks and credit card companies to prey on Americans with the legislation he either wrote or sponsored which for example made student debts non-dischargeable in bankruptcy thereby leading to banks hiking the dollar amounts of student loans massively which in turn led to colleges and universities hiking tuition prices massively and Joe Biden also benefited credit card issuers massively with his legislation which led to Hunter Biden getting a luxury office and high paid position at MBNA the biggest credit card issuer at the time (based in Delaware) and with no expectation of an actual job performance or any work expected from him and no qualifications for the job.

Without 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants wages would be 15 dollars an hour minimum based on SUPPLY and DEMAND of workers and there would be LESS debt carried by consumers and less debt on federal/state level.

Some naively think that amnesty and US citizenship to all current ILLEGAL immigrants (like Joe Biden has promised) would solve the illegal immigration problem but in reality it would attract tens of millions of NEW illegal immigrants to USA to either get into the Biden amnesty by lying they were in USA before the cut-off date of the amnesty ( whatever Biden/Harris/Democrats set) or wait for the next amnesty and further increase the wage lowering/stagnation while at the same time leading to massive new costs on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP-EBT foodstamps, Section-8 housing, federal tax credits, state welfare systems when 29.5 million (or 40-50 million after the rush to get into USA and get into the amnesty happened) new eligible users would flood those systems and lead to either more and more of deficit spending, huge tax increases or massive cuts in all of those programs.

ILLEGAL immigration and low wage LEGAL immigration are BOTH negative for the economy and for Americans and USA should completely stop immigration unless a person comes for a private sector job earning a minimum 120k a year and the employer pays for luxury health insurance for their employee on top of the wage.

For all other positions USA has more than enough American workers whose lives would be better if they got a higher wage or Americans who could be trained to do those jobs and who would be motivated to train and do those jobs when wages offered for those jobs would be better.

"Jobs Americans just won't do" is a LIE and does NOT exist at all provided markets are allowed to function and the company is FORCED by laws of supply and demand to raise the wage they offer for the job until they find willing candidates ready to do that job and there is no way to shortcut Supply and Demand by employing ILLEGAL immigrants or by bringing low wage LEGAL immigrants from abroad.

ILLEGAL immigration and low wage LEGAL immigration ONLY benefit Wall Street and banks and Democrats importing new voters.

The fact that Jo Jorgensen supports open borders and massive unrestricted immigration makes it clear Jo Jorgensen is the candidate for Wall Street and billionaires just like Joe Biden is.

Last Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson stated about bankers/Wall Street "none of them committed any crimes" in the 2007-2009 crash and before and Mish decided to not endorse Gary Johnson and instead supported and voted for Trump:

Why is Mish supporting Jo Jorgensen in 2020 despite Jo Jorgensen being for policies that would massively increase debt mountains, continue lowering/stagnating American workers wages and massively increase entitlement programs leading to either massive cuts in them or more deficit spending or huge tax increases to pay for everything?

Corvinus
Corvinus

No vote is a wasted vote. I absolutely hate using modernistic woke-ite lingo but why do people keep 'vote shaming' those who don't support their particular agenda? It is especially fashionable in the college educated population to call people idiots for not thinking like they do.

Herkie
Herkie

Mish I have made my position of the Libs very clear, but I seriously respect your endorsement, you must do as your conscience dictates. And, I approve of any vote that is not for Jabba the Trump. Not that you need my approval.

I will say in the mildest form of rebuttal I can work up, the United States is perhaps fatally divided after four years of Trump's reich, and voting for a third party with no hope of winning is just dividing us further. A vote for Biden would be a show of solidarity with the nation no matter how you feel about Joe B. The first step on the long road back from a nightmare. No matter what you think of Biden at least we will survive him, the same cannot be said for Trump.

I am not going to fret over a few million votes for Jorgensen though, the landslide Biden will have against the fat orange spy will be so huge as to be beyond any illigitimacy and will be theft proof. There will be no plausible way even russian FSB hackers can change that many votes without it being obvious.

Biden will have 30 million more votes than the Trump Junta.

[EDIT] HANDS OFF THE VA HEALTHCARE SYSTEM! It needs to exist seperate from other plans, vets have unique issues that the civilian medical community do not understand and it is funded in a way that is incompatible with other systems. It is also a model for healthcare delivery by government that is half the cost of standaard care in the US, it is not perfect but the vast majority of vets are well served by it.

davebarnes2
davebarnes2

@Mish
You have the luxury of voting this way because you live/vote in Utah.
Your vote is meaningless, but if it makes you feel good, then OK.

bradw2k
bradw2k

I filled in the bubble for Jorgensen yesterday.

I agree with maybe 90% of her platform and that is more than enough, especially because I would have trouble finding 10% to agree with in the Dem or Rep platforms.

If any issue is THE issue right now it is: the economy. And on this Trump and Biden will oversee the same recklessness: spending literally trillions more dollars than exist, while giving the Fed a thumbs up to pour gas on the fire.

Keith Weiner has an apt phrase: we are approaching the heat death of the economic universe. The price of yield is going to infinity -- good luck investing in any venture that produces real wealth. (Some "investments" are effective means of taking money from your neighbor, but that's not production.) As I've said before, the fact that real yields of treasuries are negative is ominous, because it is a solid indicator that worldwide capital is shrinking. And this shrinkage (hat tip George Costanza) is systemic, further revealed by COVID but not caused by it. The cause? Central banks have been trying to trade real yield for asset prices for decades. This is a form of theft that no one sees. Everyone thinks that stock prices and house "values" going up reflects economic strength -- and that is pretty good cover for wall-to-wall theft. (Where's Stuki?)

Given this, it's a bit amazing to me that people see such a huge difference between Trump and Biden. Despite the stylistic differences, the actual policies and actions of Dems and Reps are much more similar than admitted. Both will continue suicidal fiscal policies (including a gigantic, doomed welfare state); both will continue drug wars; both will continue the existing projection of US military power to every corner of the globe; both will continue to regulate and tax trade; both will continue the giant squid regulatory apparatus; etc.

On immigration they are indeed different, and I admit to being nauseated by the xenophobia of Trumpers, who somehow fantasize that foreigners are a cause of US decline. (Look in the mirror, buddy.) But immigration policy can hardly be issue #1 when I compare to the rest of the injustices of the US gov. Though I might feel differently if I had relatives in Mexico who had no chance to immigrate.

EWM
EWM

"At the end of a century that has seen the evils of communism, Nazism and other modern tyrannies, the impulse to centralize power remains amazingly persistent." ~ Joseph Sobran

moyerderek
moyerderek

If you want endless wars, you have two choices, Trump or Biden, both will continue fighting wars. If you want increased deficit spending, you have two choices, Trump or Biden. Both will continue to increase the national debt. It just a matter of where you want the last 200-500 Billion to be spent on. If you want more government in your lives, you have two choices, Trump or Biden. Neither will do anything to decrease the amount of intrusiveness in our lives. They will continue to pass laws making this or that required, this or that illegal. If you want more partisan bickering, you have two choices, Biden or Trump. Neither will solve the problem, it isn't in there best interest anymore. I am tired of supporting the above policies, seeing no differences (significant) in either choice. I support most of the ideas and policies set forth by Jo Jorgensen, so I will support her. As far as game theory, when both of your choices make you feel like you lost the game, what does it matter? I am playing the long game, hoping libertarian party can start actually making a dent, and become a viable third option. Nobody I talk to is interested in voting "for" Biden or Trump. They are voting AGAINST one or the other. Is this what we really want? I choose to for FOR Jo Jorgensen.

Carl_R
Carl_R

I urge everyone to take the poll at http://www.isidewith.com

Once you take the poll, you will learn more about yourself, and how you compare to the various parties. You may find you are secretly a green, or a libertarian, or you may find that you are in the correct party. You can spend more time there, and explore individual issues, and see where all parties stand on those.

As you take the poll, don't forget to rank each question for how important it is to you. If you do, you will get more accurate results.

TCW
TCW

If you know deep in your soul that either Biden or Trump will be the next president, doing anything else is a cop-out. It may be tough, like deciding to jump or burn in a building that's on fire, but some decisions in life are very tough.

threeblindmice
threeblindmice

One nit: embargos are not acts of war. Blockades are. Blockades are different and worse. Otherwise, yes, I like the lib party platform. And I will likely help to get them to 1.5% of the vote this year. Baby steps!

Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon

I am a former Trump voter voting for Jo Jorgensen.

Madpaddler8
Madpaddler8

I support Dr Jorgensen as well as she most aligns with my thoughts and ideals for management of the country!