I Am Fearful of Violence No Matter Who Wins

Mish

I emailed a friend today about a violent outcome to the election. The topic also came up on Twitter.

Tweet Thread on Violence

Here is the thread started by Peter Atwater, an analyst I highly respect.

If Biden wins and Trump repeats his claim the election was stolen, violence could start on either side no matter who wins.

Never before in history has a candidate refused to say he would honor the result, until now.

Trump ought to say right now he will honor the vote. He should also request calm no matter who wins.

But here we are with potentially explosive consequences. 

This is especially true if Trump declares he won the election before the votes are in, or he attempts to disquality votes not counted. 

Regardless, this is a powder keg of emotion with no apparent outlet and no calming words anywhere.

I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I fear violence no matter who wins.

Mish

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Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon

Sad that so many Americans are willing to kill each other over two men who could care less about their liberty, their freedom, their rights, and the Constitution.

Herkie
Herkie

Trump's response to his militia "army" almost forcing the Biden bus off the highway and causing at least one wreck in Texas was LOVE IT! That act he said he saw his people did nothing wrong. In fact the FBI is looking into it according to the FBI and if they are it would have to be under the Federal Code, the relevent section being Title 18 subsection 241 and possibly 242, Conspiracy Against Rights, felony charges carrying up to 10 years in prison and if certain conditions are met a capital crime. But Trump praised them and his son had just invited those supporters at a Texas rally "to go out and have a little fun." It is not as if the federal code has laws that are applicable to what happened on that freeway that are NOT felonies. The FBI is not investigating these people for tailgating.

I think there will be some serious problems. In fact I think long term the US is finished.

dbannist
dbannist

I seem to remember that Al Gore refused to accept the vote and had lawyers intervene several times.

Bush won every recount, was relatively hidden from view during each recount (that he won each and every time) and refused to recount those counties that were favorable to him where he would have picked up votes. Only those counties were recounted that favored Gore.

So there's at least one other candidate who refused to just accept the vote.

Trump stated he accept the vote, but only if we knew the vote. There's a difference. Trump NEVER stated he'd refuse to accept the vote. There is a clear difference between what Mish is saying Trump would do vs. what Trump actually said he'd do.

I'm not apologizing for Trump either. I can't stand the guy. I just care about careful statements that don't misstate what someone actually said, on either side.

silverdog148
silverdog148

Contrary to popular opinion violence will be low in my opinion if Biden wins. It's not as bad as some are making it out to be , the supremes and pretty much any federal judge are going to give Biden the benefit of the doubt because they want to preserve the current system and the nice perks they have. In fact even a sizable portion of Biden voters are voting for the same thing, keep the current system going.

Trump supporters are not the riot in the streets with brick supporters they are the AR-15 crowd which leaves no room in the middle, if they go out and mayhem, well there is only one response possible for law enforcement, Trump supporters know this and will stay home.

KidHorn
KidHorn

All the violence, so far, has been in heavily democratic cities and perpetrated by BLM and/or Antifa. Little evidence that Trump supporters will be violent. Lots of evidence to the contrary.

Zardoz
Zardoz

trump is Putin's masterpiece for destroying America.

Carl_R
Carl_R

As a start, I'd like to to urge everyone on this forum to pledge to support the newly elected President, whoever it is. As a person who strongly supported Jorgensen, I have a high degree of confidence that the newly elected President won't be someone who I voted for, yet I pledge to support whoever is elected.

Doug78
Doug78

I predict that there will be less violence than expected. Both sides are armed and both sides know that if provoked will defend themselves. This means that the chances of being hurt or killed if things get out of hand go way up. Once the individual actors realise this (and they do rather quickly) the urge to talk and not fight becomes paramount. The only exception to this rule is when people in gangs are fighting for turf or when excessive drugs or alcohol are involved. Normally people prefer to talk and when both sides are armed they make the effort to be polite.

Sechel
Sechel

Nigel Farange took to visitng the U.S. and declring the only people who will commit violence are Democrats if they lose the election

Doug78
Doug78

The only people who should really be worried are those in the some city centers.

silverdog148
silverdog148

Reports coming out that the U.S Military has briefed all major news anchors and are saying they will remain apolitical and will not play a role in trying to adjudicate the election result if it is contested, this itself is extraordinary and a little troubling as they seem eager to distance themselves from the current civilian president(not good).

This only further puts pressure on the judiciary at all levels to rule for Biden. You see the dog whistles blowing all over the place, Wall Street also signaling the need for a non contested election.

Tucsonman
Tucsonman

This just in. Cops shoot man wielding machete outside circle K in Tucson. No idea of election related 🌵

RonJ
RonJ

"Never before in history has a candidate refused to say he would honor the result, until now."

Never before had the government been weaponized against a presidential candidate, as was done against Trump. Same with Trump as president elect and as president.

On inauguration day the Washington Post said let the impeachment begin.
Democrats never honored the result of the 2016 election. They were out to get him from day one.

Google, Facebook, Twitter, have been actively election tampering in 2020. All the debate moderators were Democratic Party operative Anti-Trumpers. Rigged is the word that comes to mind.

Oh, and apparently Trump is not to be allowed to declare victory tonight, even if he wins.

Talk about not honoring the result of an election.

ToInfinityandBeyond
ToInfinityandBeyond

Based on all the responses to Mish’s story it is clear that there are extremely strong views on either side. That being the case I would not rule out protests / violence from either side depending on the results tonight. I am a registered Republican but will not be voting for Trump tonight. I fear the Republican Party is headed in the wrong direction under it’s current leadership.

Tucsonman
Tucsonman

I just voted Trump and to hedge that I voted for legal marijuana. That way if Biden wins I can eat edibles for 4 years 😂

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish

We live in a world where there are riots when the home team wins the big game. I'm calling a Biden win and antifa riots. :)

Mish
Mish

Editor

Kiss Thalamus Goodbye and every comment her ever made.

"Scorecard and the hammer, which got Obama and Michael elected, is the reason the vote won't be accepted. It's a mathematical impossibility for Joe Biden to win unless there is CIA cheating."

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Mish, why in the world would you be fearful after moving to Utah? Do you still have Illinois license plates on your car?

Bam_Man
Bam_Man

"I can hire half the working class to kill the other half."
-- Jay Gould (1886)

Carl_R
Carl_R

You may have to shut the "Community" section of the site down for awhile. It's getting spammed like crazy, and anyone who clicks on those links is braver than I am. Those spammed links look like likely sites to catch a trojan to me.

nertak
nertak

I understand the fear of rioting, and I am deeply saddened that we have come to this, something I never thought we'd see here, something only seen on tv from other countries. Beyond that troubling issue and even who wins this election is problems that raise very serious questions about the validity of our electoral system. So many people get so hung up on their dislike of Trump, they cannot see past him to the big picture. Trump is not the big problem here, this is about possible election fraud, and EVERY AMERICAN should be alarmed about it and should want to get to the bottom of it. If there is a problem, we MUST fix it, if there isn't, which I rather doubt, then we can relax in the knowledge that our system is still working (which, again, I doubt). It is a terrible feeling to wonder if our electoral system is broken, and, worse yet, to wonder if fellow Americans are rigging it. This cannot be allowed to slide without investigation, so, please, get over Trump, he's ONE individual and likely gone. This voting issue affects every American and is a huge part of the foundation upon which our country is built. It may Republicans this time, but it could be your team next time.


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