Catalonia Vice President Says "No Choice" But Declare Independence

Mish

The crisis in Spain has reached the critical phase with neither Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy nor Catalan President Carles Puigdemont willing to back down. Article 155 takes effect on Friday with Spain taking over the Catalan government at that time. A declaration of independence may come first.

The Spanish government invited Carles Puigdemont to speak to the Spanish Senate but with article 155 declared, what's the point? Puigdemont snubbed the Senate having come to that conclusion.

No Option

We have now reached the crisis point as expected. 'You've Left Us No Option' said Oriol Junqueras, the Catalan vice president.

“We understand that the Spanish government is giving us no other option than to defend the civil rights and citizens’ rights through the best tools that our institutions have,” said Junqueras.

It comes after the Catalan President Carles Puigdemont snubbed the Senate's invitation to defend his region's actions in calling an independence referendum and instead opted to attend an emergency meeting of the Catalan parliament.

The Catalan government remained tight-lipped over what the agenda would be for the meeting, but it is widely expected to debate the official response to Madrid's imposition of Article 155 of Spain's constitution as well as the likelihood of formally declaring independence from the rest of the Iberian country.

People Have Spoken

Despite media reports to the contrary, an outright majority of Catalans want independence. For details and my math, please see Dear Spain, Mainstream Media: A Majority of Catalans Want Independence (Stop Saying Otherwise) .

If the Catalan parliament refuses to stand down as mandated by article 155, how will Spain respond?

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (19)
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formula57
formula57

And we know the stolen votes figure of 770,000 is accurate how? And we know all "Yes" voters in the confusion prevalent on 1 October when people were told to find another polling station if their local one had been closed only voted once how? And we know voters made an informed decision despite a "No" campaign being absent by reason of obeying the constitutional court to ignore the referendum how?

RonJ
RonJ

"And we know voters made an informed decision despite a "No" campaign being absent..."

RonJ
RonJ

What constitutes an informed decision? Opponents of Brexit projected a number of dire consequences if Brexit passed. People would have made an uninformed decision had they listened to the propaganda and acted on it. Cameron allowed a Scotland referendum, as he thought it would fail, then scrambled to scare the Scots, when polls began to show secession leading. In that case, the scare mongering worked.

formula57
formula57

@RonJ - I agree with your point but the flawed nature of the Catalan referendum still stands. I do not think that "Yes" voters understood they were opting to exit the EU, for example.

msurkan
msurkan

How Spain responds to a declaration of independence is the least of the Catalan government's problems. The real catastrophe will result from the outrage that the pro unionist Catalan citizens will have with a vote for independence. Even if the unionist supporters are a minority they are still a very sizeable percentage of the population and they feel as if they have had no say in the decision to go independence. Sure, we can blame boycott of the vote by "no" supporters on the cynical strategy of Rajoy who told unionists to stay home, but the end result is that the same. The unionist supporters in Catalonia will rise up if independence occurs.the no voters stayed home and didn't vote at Rajoy

Blacklisted
Blacklisted

What say you about Soros using Catalonia for the globalist goals?

SweetKenny
SweetKenny

Blacklisted, seems a weak argument since Catalon independence undermines Spain which in turn undermines the EU. That house of cards can not deal with fragmentation of member states.

Carl_R
Carl_R

If there were inaccuracies in the voting process, whose fault was that? If Spain had any doubt what the outcome of the vote was going to be, we can presume they would not have interfered in the voting process. They very much wanted to prevent the people of Catalonia from speaking, so we can presume they had a very good idea what outcome they could have expected.

Blurtman
Blurtman

They’ve got to print their own currency now.

Cassiopeia
Cassiopeia

Rock and hard place. Last night Puigdemont was about to call an election (best possible beginning to a way out) but had to back out because his radical wing was revolting and calling him a traitor. So there will be no avoiding 155, which also puts Rajoy in a very tricky position. And the many unionists in Catalonia, especially in Barcelona (a majority), will be screaming bloody murder and calling Puigdemont a traitor. Different majority pro-union comarques (mostly urban) will want their own vote. Flat footed Madridians will for sure mess up the intervention. The Arran valley will want to secede within the secession, and the law is on their side. An independent Catalonia will have to raise taxes to pay for the gap in retirement funds when Madrid stops sending money. I don't think they will print money, they can keep the euro as de facto currency, but I may be wrong. However, even if they keep the euro they won't be able to get loans because their bonds are junk, so they will have to raise taxes, so more businesses will leave. There is no end in sight....balcanization has always been an issue in Spain, and the mediocrity of their current leaders may have tipped the balance.

fla56
fla56

@ronj the Scottish referendum failed because since the oil crash it became the craziest idea in the world

fla56
fla56

perhaps 'failure' is the wrong word in democracy anyway? Brexit was completely different -and the UK as a whole can be truly sovereign with a central bank and currency

Cassiopeia
Cassiopeia

Catalonia can be sovereign too. The question is if they will remain rich, that's all.

Cassiopeia
Cassiopeia

Interesting reading for those who like to follow history as it unfolds, knowing tomorrow might be completely different. Google Translate should help. During the night, Puigdemont offered to cede his post to his independist vice president, Oriol Junqueras. Junqueras said he would if all the coalition Junts pel Si would support him unanimously. They would not, so he passed. Now Puigdemont hurled the whole hot mess right back at Parliament, so his minister of enterprise resigned, citing that he preferred to practice politics based on values and ideology rather than "identity". Just another day in hell for all Catalonians.

Carlos_
Carlos_

This is laughable. Mish keeps saying that Rajoy painted himself into a corner HA!. Puigdemont knows that if he declares DUI he ends in jail ditto for Junqueras. The DUI has become a hot potato that none o the so called "leaders" want to handle. The worst thing for the Catalonias will be to gain "independence" (from whatever ). At the same time the best thing for the politician in Cataluna would have been to gain independence so they can rob the Catalonias blind. So funny and sad. The politicians are now finding out that their actions will have consequences for them (not the plebe). Do the readers of this blog know that many of the "directors" at the Generalitat make more money than Rajoy? When the Catalonias claimed that they are being robbed they were right. They were just wrong about who was doing the robbing!

Cassiopeia
Cassiopeia

True, but that's not to say that the guys in Madrid are honest. Anyway, that's not the question now. The question is if Catalonia would be a prosperous independent country in the context of today. All the Catalonian leaders (not their followers) know the truth, that the cost would be enormous and the payoff iffy, but they have created a virtual parallel reality for the indepes in which their debt will be written off, they will magically be accepted in the EU, create an Estonia-style cloud economy, pay teachers, retirees, diplomats and police in cryptocurrency, etc. The economy is already tanking. Sign of things to come. When they wake up, they will be very, very mad at this leadership, which did not even have a majority of the popular vote.