Biden Says He Would Resign if a Moral Dispute With Harris Arose

Mish

In a totally bizarre interview, Biden lays out conditions in which he might purposely get sick and resign.

Bizarre Interview

"Like I told Barack, if I reach something where there's a fundamental disagreement we have based on a moral principle, I'll develop some disease and say I have to resign."

In the interview Biden says that when he was VP under Obama, that if he had a moral disagreement with Obama, he would have developed a disease and resigned.

If he has one now with Kamala Harris, he as president, would resign.

A strict interpretation of that interview is more than a bit bizarre should such a disagreement happen. But It does sound like he is kidding.

And the point of the interview was that he and Harris would not have major moral dispute. 

Regardless, this will play into allegations that Harris will call the shots and that Biden will not last four years.

Mish

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Germ
Germ

Leading from behind. Sad.

Zardoz
Zardoz

Why did they have to chose this dried up old fossil? There were multiple much better candidates in the primary.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian

Now to learn how this plays. Is Joe living in BDS sufferers' heads rent-free? Will anyone on the left show mild concern over this? I would like to find a person who thinks Biden will even be the Dem nom in 24. It would be the first one.

truthseeker
truthseeker

What is going on here? When Biden was Vice President, he said he would get sick and resign if he had a moral disagreement with President Obama. Now he’s flip-flopped. Seems like Vice President Harris should be the one to get sick and resign if she had a moral disagreement with President Biden. He’s acting like he’s still the Vice President! How weird is this?

mrutkaus
mrutkaus

He momentarily thought he was VP again.

njbr
njbr

Well, that would make some happy, wouldn't it?

But let's see how that leftist rag (not!) Washington Examiner plays it...

President-elect Joe Biden explained in candid terms how he would have acted if he had a major "moral" disagreement with former President Barack Obama.

Biden said Vice President-elect Kamala Harris and he share a similar worldview but recalled that he told Obama that should the two have a "fundamental disagreement" on a "moral principle," he'd resign and claim illness. He then described Harris and him in lockstep on those principles.

"We are simpatico on our philosophy of government and simpatico on how we want to approach these issues that we are facing," Biden said. "When we disagree, it'll be just like — so far, it's been just like when Barack and I did. It's in private. She'll say, 'I think we should do A, B, C, or D,' and I'll say, 'I like A, don't like B and C. And let's go, OK.'"

"And like I told Barack, if I reached something where there's a fundamental disagreement we have based on a moral principle, I'll develop some disease and say I have to resign," Biden continued. "We don't have that I'm — we haven't — and we've discussed at length our views on foreign policy, on domestic policy, on intelligence."

RunnrDan
RunnrDan

"And the point of the interview was that he and Harris would not have major moral dispute."

Because they have none to begin with!

Mish
Mish

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Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Typical Biden gaffe. Means nothing.

caradoc-again
caradoc-again

So all the VP has to do to become P is create a moral disagreement.
Should be easy enough.

What if he has to step down on health grounds, will anyone be sure its not because he had a moral disagreement?

This man has a problem.

nzyank
nzyank

Maybe he is showing humility which is a good thing.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple

Biden was joking, in exactly the same way Trump was joking when he promoted huffing Lysol, mainlining bleach and administering UV light rectally.

We're actually going to scrutinize Biden after 5 years of constant insane Trumpian diarrhetoric?

huxleygram
huxleygram

I disagree with the author that Biden was kidding. He said at the beginning of his explanation, "All kidding aside" and there was no smiles or chuckles.

Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat

Trump has fired any competent people who disagreed with him, so that only dumb people are left in his administration.
Biden is humble enough to recognize that at certain time may be he is not the smartest people in the room, so for the sake of his country he would be willing to leave.

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Ever see JB Pritzker get involved with Chicago (Lootfoot) or Crook County (Preckwinkle)? Madigan pulls all the puppet strings, regardless.

njbr
njbr

Pissants in the petunias, but in other places...

Scott O’Grady, Trump’s nominee to become assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, whose nomination was sent to the Senate on Monday.

O’Grady also retweeted numerous false claims that Trump had in fact won a second term in office, by a landslide, and described Joe Biden’s winning the presidency as a “coup” attempt carried out in coordination with Chinese President Xi Jinping...

On Wednesday, O’Grady retweeted an article about Michael Flynn’s call for martial law in light of the election results. Then, he retweeted another message from the same account ....“I don’t know who needs to hear this,” read the message that O’Grady retweeted. “But calling for martial law is not a bad idea when there is an attempted coup against the president and this country happening right now.”...

Every real coup begins with "save the country" and turns to martial law, not voting--see numerous examples from Africa and South America.

njbr
njbr

Two top Trump loyalists were installed at a Pentagon advisory board shortly after several board members were fired on Friday.

Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, as well as David Bossie — Lewandowski’s deputy on Trump’s 2016 campaign and chairman of the group Citizens United — have been named to the Pentagon’s Defense Business Board, the Defense Department announced in a press release Friday.

The New York Times reported last month that Trump had picked Bossie to lead his campaign’s effort to contest the 2020 election results.

Webej
Webej

Not exactly news.

Biden is senile. President Harris was an inevitability since Aug 11, and, in fact, long before then, but without x=Harris. Many times I have said the election was about President Harris. Biden is incidental, only required to trick voters, like everything Democrats (and Republicans) say.

ajc1970
ajc1970

I've turned as anti-Democrat as I've ever been in my life, but lets be fair on this.

  1. most importantly -- he was probably trying to be funny.

  2. his statement was ambiguous, and I took it to mean that "now that Kamala is vp, if she has a disagreement, she'll fake sick and resign, like any good VP trooper would." The press is 100% only reporting on the other potential meaning, that if Biden disagrees with his VP, Biden would resign.

Covering this as anything more than a typical Biden speaking gaffe is something I'd only expect on OANN or the likes.

Johnson1
Johnson1

SP500 up 15% for the year and Nasdaq 100 is maybe up 30%. Banner year for stocks. Crazy.

Johnson1
Johnson1

Incredible 12 year stock run. It has been great to be living in America. I am not sure if any other country has seen this type of performance. China stocks have been pretty flat the past 10 years even though their GDP growth has been 100% higher than the U.S. YOY. 12 year return on the Chinese FXI index is 70% while the SPY is round 300%. QQQ is about 900%.

Obama 8 years
SPY went up 150% 19% a year
NASDAQ 100 went up 280%. 35% a year

Trump 4 years
SPY went up 60%. 15% a year
NASDAQ 100 went up 155%. 39% a year

moresteps
moresteps

this comment of biden makes a lot more sense in the context in which he lives . first, he is channeling the kennedy's "address to the greater houston ministerial association" in 1960 : "But if the time should ever come--and I do not concede any conflict to be even remotely possible--when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same. " [a speech still worth reading in regard to religion in politics today.]

second, he is indirectly responding to the rather vocal conservative catholics who believe that biden should be either excommunicated, or at least denied the catholic sacraments, due to his public stands on birth control and abortion .

he is simply noting his basic principles related to the question of moral conflict between his duties and his conscience.

the only confusion seems to be his wording that seems to suggest a conflict with harris rather than with his conscience . in the end though it works out the same . his hypothetical resignation would constitutionally be in harris' favor

numike
numike

the decline continues “The China Challenge Can Help America Avert Decline” [Foreign Affairs]. “For the United States, decline is less a condition than a choice. The downward path runs through the country’s polarized political system, with an incoming Democratic president facing a deadlocked or narrowly Republican Senate. The path away from decline, meanwhile, may run through a rare area susceptible to bipartisan consensus: the need for the United States to rise to the China challenge…. American anxieties about decline have a rich history, punctuating even the supposedly sunny American Century with interludes of deep self-doubt…. The United States is now in its fifth wave of declinism—one that began with the global financial crisis in 2008 and accelerated through Trump’s norm-breaking presidency. American decline is ‘out in the open,’ observes Bloomberg columnist Noah Smith, arguing that absent domestic reform, ‘the U.S. will resemble a developing nation in a few decades.’ The United States could devolve into a ‘deindustrialized, English-speaking version of a Latin American republic,’ warns Professor Michael Lind of the University of Texas at Austin, with an economy based in ‘commodities, real estate, tourism, and perhaps transnational tax evasion,’ as China absconds with the country’s high-tech industries and curtails the United States’ global leadership….They may also underestimate the power of the United States’ appeal. American openness attracts the allies that sustain the global liberal order, the immigrants who fuel American growth, and the capital that sustains dollar dominance. U.S. soft power flows from the country’s open society and civic creed, not from the state.” • “[R]esemble a developing nation in a few decades“? What part of “ubiquitous homeless encampments” do these national security himbos not understand?

njbr
njbr

Georgetown Law professor Rosa Brooks organized 67 legal scholars, retired military officers, former senior government officials and political strategists —let’s call them the Transition Integrity Project— to act out every imaginable post-election scenario, how exactly would Trump pull off this supposed coup?

Well, months before the election, someone actually did this and wrote a report (pdf) about ways Trump could conceivably steal the election that he’s totally not doing. But what would Trump hypothetically do?

Well, here are all seven of the possible steps Trump would take if a close and contested election was “resolved through the exercise of power, not through the courts.”

Calling for recounts in all states in which victory was not already apparent.

Launching coordinated investigations at the state and federal levels into alleged “voting irregularities” in an effort to undermine public confidence in results that did not go Trump’s way and/or alter the results.

Attempting to halt the counting of mail-in ballots by filing cases in state court or leaning on Republican leaders to stop vote counting or to certify a result early, without waiting for the certified results from the secretary of state.

Turning out their well-organized and committed base to take to the streets in Trump’s favor, in part by disseminating disinformation about the danger posed by pro-Biden demonstrators (e.g., by suggesting likely Antifa violence, etc.).

Relying on both FOX News and right-wing social media to echo and amplify pro-Trump messages and facilitate the harassment and bullying of election officials, to cause chaos and delay and/or to intimidate officials into taking actions that benefited Team Trump

Using federal agencies to justify or support Trump campaign tactics. In one of the more aggressive moves undertaken in one of the TIP exercises, Team Trump had Attorney General Bill Barr order the seizure of mail-in ballots to ensure that vote counting would stop.

While these may sound like this TIP team can see into the future, none of their predictions are shocking. It’s when they get to the military coup part that I started worrying.

Read it for yourself.

The one area of genuine uncertainty related to whether Team Trump could convince the military to deploy active duty troops domestically. In the scenario, the military refused to support Team Trump, but there was concern that this reflected “recency bias” given that the exercises were run shortly after participants observed the military’s cautiousness in the wake of the June 1, 2020 events in Lafayette Square...

Of particular concern are the President’s ability to federalize the national guard; to deploy the military domestically; to launch investigations into opponents and to freeze their assets; and even to control communication in the name of national security. The politicization of the Department of Justice adds an additional worrying dimension, including whether and how the agency could provide legal cover for the President’s actions.

The team eventually concluded that the military leaders would almost certainly refuse to carry out his unconstitutional orders. But what if the military leaders weren’t military leaders?

According to the New York Times, days after his election loss, Trump fired four top officials at the Pentagon, replacing them with loyal supporters, including naming an acting defense secretary, including one who called Obama a “terrorist leader” and another who was kicked out of the National Security Council for clashing with the top brass. Then, Trump put Michael Ellis, another MAGAficionado, in charge of the National Security Agency’s legal team. Then he ousted the person in charge of defeating ISIS.

And, while it is doubtful if the new guys have the power to kick out the country’s actual military commanders, perhaps they won’t need to. As soon as Chris Miller was installed as defense secretary, one of his first moves was to take the special forces from the military leadership and put them under his civilian command, Politico reports.

Of course, there’s the fact that Trump is also pressuring state legislators to overturn the will of the voters. Then there are his convicted felon friends asking him to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. Also, have I mentioned the GOP’s plans to challenge the Electoral College?

goldguy
goldguy

Excuse me for pointing out the obvious, was that not the plan all along??? Does anyone actually think they voted for Biden??? OMG please, that was the point of NOT voting for biden. Sheeessh!

Biden=demented old man who lost his moral compass 47 years ago

davebarnes2
davebarnes2

I am up for President Harris.

goldguy
goldguy

President harris who found her political calling by laying on her back...

LewisM
LewisM

Still wouldn't be in the top 100 batshit crazy things Trump has said and done.

Realist
Realist

It is interesting to watch the US from afar. It's quite a show. Just in this thread we see Trump planning a military coup, and Biden planning on stepping down and handing the Presidency to Harris. I love it. By the way, what ever happened to Ted R? We had a date on election night, where he was going to bask in Trump's win, and explain how it was all due to the Latino vote!

Meanwhile, the pandemic continues to spread in the US with little resistance. What a great Legacy for Trump. Probably 400K dead by the time Biden gets to inherit the whole mess. Worst president ever!

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

When is AOC President? I’m holding out for Green New Deal for a government paid solar panel roof and siding for my house in Bailoutland , Illinois.

HikerGuy
HikerGuy

I said that from day one, when he announced her as his VP.

Realist
Realist

Still nothing from Trump on combatting the pandemic. Too busy golfing and ranting.

US Daily Cases and Deaths for the first four days of December

Dec 1 Tu 184,184:2670

Dec 2 W 206,073 :2873

Dec 3 Th 220,643:2921

Dec 4 F 235,272:2718

Looks like the US will have 80K-100K Covid deaths in December alone. The morgues and funeral homes are overrun and the refrigeration trucks are beginning to fill up.

In 10 months, Japan has had 2213 deaths in total. Yet Trump will say the US is doing better than Japan.

Sechel
Sechel

I listened to the clip and I don't see Biden resigning if he had a moral disagreement with Harris. What I heard was Biden saying he would have resigned as VP under Obama

PreCambrian
PreCambrian

I would have to read the whole interview but from your telling of it I interpret it as "Harris would have to resign if she had a moral dispute with me". I think that is everyone's choice when they have to follow someone else. Of course it makes it a lot easier if you have no morals.

Herkie
Herkie

Mish, it sounds a lot more to me like he is saying that if the two of them had a profound moral disagreement he would expect Harris the VP to resign. Notice he did not say that when he was VP under Obama he expected the president to resign in the event of a disagreement.

conpat
conpat

ok, now listen, this is all planned out and this is why the dems cheated to the hilt. They thought Hillary would win in 2016 bc they cheated but Trump got way more support than the dems thought he would. This year, in 2020, they made sure Biden would win by stopping the polling people from counting and then bringing in all these boxes and cases of ballots all for Biden. Seriously, this is cheating to the hilt!!! Praying it all will be revealed and justice be served for these treasonous acts!!!

conpat
conpat

ok, now listen, this is all planned out and this is why the dems cheated to the hilt. They thought Hillary would win in 2016 bc they cheated but Trump got way more support than the dems thought he would. This year, in 2020, they made sure Biden would win by stopping the polling people from counting and then bringing in all these boxes and cases of ballots all for Biden. Seriously, this is cheating to the hilt!!! Praying it all will be revealed and justice be served for these treasonous acts!!!

magoomba
magoomba

Welcome to the new full swamp government. It will be very stingy.
No more 'stimulus' for the peasantry. All the leftist serfs will be ditched to starve and die. They are no longer needed. Neither are elections.
We will be ruled by faceless committee, and very soon A.I.
It should have happened a good while ago.
Trump was just an unforeseen (and sometimes hilarious) diversion....
You can be certain that we will never permit such foolishness to happen again.

harrisisevel
harrisisevel

Biden and harris named person of the year and they havent done anything to earn it. and I am sure from here on out they will mess up everything they touch. GFL

conniemariemays
conniemariemays

Why doesn't she just resign now and get it over with?


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