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Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Georgia certifies their ballots when? Friday?

I read one source that said Trump isn’t conceding because as long as he doesn’t, he can keep fund raising....with the intention to use the money to pay lawyers to fight all the charges he’s going to be facing the day he becomes an ex-President.

njbr
njbr

President Trump fires DHS official tonight Chris Krebs after the agency he ran released a statement rejecting Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud. "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised," the statement read.

Trump directly tied this firing to the statement, which was released along with state and private election officials. Krebs expected to be fired, sources told CNN last week.

njbr
njbr

A tweet-stream from Guiliani's day in court today, there are about a hundred or so tweets from a lawyer that was on the line. There is such a string that you have to click see replies several times.

Hard to imagine G wants 20K/day for his services...

Sechel
Sechel

I was following Raffi Melkonian on twitter last night along with few others giving play by play. The Trump team had amended their complaint virtually crossing out 90% of what they were arguing but Rudy proceded to argue it anyway. Rudy was off the rails. He was neither arguing his complaint or the facts and he clearly didn't know the law. He hasn't been in a courtroom in close to three decades and it shows. It was Verkakte law. Mark Aron chick the opposing lawyer was clearly frustrated but did a fantastic job. I have little doubt where this goes on Friday. There's no way the Trump team expected to win this case. It can't be an accident that the normal cadre of lawyers that show up for Trump have been absent on this one.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Michigan doesn’t officially certify until Dec 13, but all other swing states will certify by Dec 1....so the charade has to end by the first of the month.

Sechel
Sechel

A crazy day in court

"You're alleging that the two individual plaintiffs were denied the right to vote," Brann said. "But at bottom, you're asking this court to invalidate more than 6.8 million votes, thereby disenfranchising every single voter in the commonwealth. Can you tell me how this result can possibly be justified?"

In response, Giuliani said that Trump's campaign was seeking only to throw out about 680,000 ballots cast in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, because, he said, Republican observers were not allowed to watch them being counted.

But Trump's attorneys had removed legal claims relating to that issue in an amended version of the lawsuit they filed over the weekend, the judge reminded him.

"The poll-watching claims were deleted," Brann told Giuliani. "They're now not before this court, so why should I consider them now?"

Giuliani — who in the days before the hearing had falsely denied that the claims were deleted — was forced to acknowledge that they had been. He said that the campaign would file a third version of its lawsuit restoring the allegations.

Brann asked what standard of review he should apply in the case. "I think the normal one," Giuliani replied.

"Maybe I don't understand what you mean by strict scrutiny," Giuliani said at another point.

At a different moment, Giuliani said: "I'm not quite sure what 'opacity' means. It probably means you can see."

The judge responded: "It means you can't."

In a heated 45-minute speech delivered over a patchy telephone link, Mark Aronchick, an attorney representing several Pennsylvania counties, said that Giuliani was ignorant of the law, living in "some fantasy world" and pushing wild allegations that were "disgraceful in an American courtroom."

Aronchick concluded by urging Brann: "Dismiss this case. Please, dismiss this case. So we can move on."

Addressing the one formal claim that remained in Trump's lawsuit, Giuliani argued that Trump's campaign and Republican voters had their constitutional rights violated when the Democratic-leaning counties invited voters to "cure," or fix, defective ballots.

"The Trump campaign has been treated totally differently than the Bush campaign," Giuliani said, misstating the name of President-elect Biden.

Attorneys for state and county authorities denied that charge, saying that Pennsylvania law allowed officials to contact voters with defective ballots, and arguing at length that Trump's campaign had no standing to bring its lawsuit in federal court.

The defense attorneys repeatedly criticized Giuliani for basing his arguments on the discarded allegations that Republican observers were not allowed to watch ballots being counted, noting that three formal counts and a request for action over the issue had been erased in the revised version of the lawsuit.

"Mr. Giuliani is talking about another case, not the case before your honor," Aronchik said. Daniel Donovan, an attorney for Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar (D), said Giuliani was focusing on allegations that had been "deleted, deleted, deleted, deleted."

In his own remarks, Donovan said that with its allegation about ballot-curing, the Trump campaign was ultimately arguing that "certain ballots should not have been counted." He noted that there was "no claim of voter fraud" in Trump's complaint.

"There is no claim in the complaint that any qualified Pennsylvania voter cast more than one ballot that was counted," Donovan said. "There is no claim that any qualified voter who cast a mail-in ballot had their vote wrongly rejected. There is no claim that anyone not eligible to vote in fact voted."

Sechel
Sechel

Looks like Rudy's big Pennsylvania case is heading toward dismisssal

Rocky Raccoon
Rocky Raccoon

The Powerball is heading to $200 million. Buy a ticket and if your numbers don't hit, keep filing lawsuits until you're declared the winner of the jackpot!

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

This is all old useless news. Trump is setting the country back by not allowing Biden access to government. Trump is trying to set the country up for more failure. We need another impeachment proceeding now imo. He is the worst of all presidents.

Lance Manly
Lance Manly

Do you think he will give up power without a fight even though all the norms said he should. I don't know.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Business Insider reports that Trump has canceled plans for Thanksgiving at Mar-A-Lago and will be spending the holiday in the White House. His mood is said to be “bleak” and the WH staff is said to experiencing a “bunker mentality”.

Perhaps he will hang himself in the Lincoln bedroom with one of his red ties.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

About half of Republicans who voted for Trump are SORE LOSERS.

Lance Manly
Lance Manly

Rudy's swinging for the fences:

"President Donald Trump’s campaign has filed yet another version of its lawsuit over the election results in Pennsylvania, now contending that he should be named the victor in the presidential contest there or that the state legislature be given the authority to assign the state’s 20 electoral votes."

"The new complaint also comes close to accusing the judges of Pennsylvania’s highest court of political bias, the kind of accusation that is common in newspaper editorials and cable news shows but rarely appears in federal court pleadings filed by experienced attorneys."

Sechel
Sechel

Rudy just had an off the rails press conferene repeating all the allegations that the judges threw out. this is karl rove on fox

Sechel
Sechel

The strategy has now changed. Trump is taking the show on TV and calling the electors personally. he called two Michigan officials to get them to not certify the election

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

@Mish Editor Happy Thanksgiving!


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