and yet another scandal. did trump know about the russian bounty

Sechel

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russian bounty offers to Taliban militants led to the deaths of several U.S. soldiers according to U.S. intelligence agencies, the Washington Post reported, and Congress on Monday demanded more information about the reports.

It was unclear how many U.S. or coalition troops may have been targeted or killed under the Russian program, the Post said late on Sunday, but the intelligence stemmed from U.S. military interrogations of captured militants and was passed up from U.S. Special Operations forces in Afghanistan.

The New York Times separately reported that U.S. intelligence officials believe at least one American military death stemmed from the bounties, citing two officials briefed on the matter. Reuters could not immediately confirm the reports.

The reports drew outrage from critics of Republican U.S. President Donald Trump who argued it was unconscionable for him to have known of a Russian effort to kill American servicemen while seeking to improve relations with Moscow.

Trump sought to cast doubt on the Russian bounty effort, saying on Sunday he was never briefed on the matter and that U.S. intelligence officials told him this was because the information was not credible.

The Kremlin on Monday also denied the bounty report, first published by the New York Times on Friday, that Russian forces had offered to pay Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and other Western soldiers in Afghanistan.

“These allegations are lies,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters, adding that Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin had never discussed the allegations

There are only 3 possibilities here: It was in the President's Daily Brief(PDB) or briefed to him but he didn’t bother to read or listen; the NSC/CIA deliberately kept it from him; or he knew and didn’t care because he wants to have a “good relationship” with a murderous autocrat.

And if such a massive reporting failure has actually occurred, the White House would be having meetings NOW to figure out if the intel is true, what went wrong, and most importantly, how to respond. Instead, it’s just another whine about “Fake News.”

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Eighthman
Eighthman

The Washington Post and the NY Times are warmongering liars. Why does anyone trust them? (Post: evidence of Iraq WMDs is "irrefutable"). Historians will one day marvel at the foolishness of pushing Russia and Iran into alliance with China, for the sake of cheap Congressional politics - rather than sensible strategy. Biden is a empty suit with dementia and the Neo Cons need him to Keep Wars Going while ignoring a nation in decay.

njbr
njbr

The same info was given to the Brit's intelligence arm, too.

But who want Putin back in the G7?

William Janes
William Janes

As much as I detest Putin and the Russian Army, I am skeptical of the Intel. 1. Why would the Taliban need any additional incentive to kill American soldiers. 2. Why would the Russian army lower itself to such a level. They do consider themselves to be in the "Profession of Arms" as General MacArthur would say. 3. The U.S. supplied arms to the Mujahedeen in the Russian/Afghan War, but did not put bounties on Russian soldiers. 4. The Russians would not want similar retribution against their own officers. 5. Conclusion: no positive upside for the Russian and plenty of negative blowback if caught.

njbr
njbr

For those of you still confused....the President was briefed , but he says he wasn't. There was no consensus , but we don't get to hear from the briefers on that. The DNI at the time never heard of it , but Congress was briefed. The White House has been considering their response since March , but the intel isn't verified.

Also, three NATO members have confirmed that they were warned by the US one week ago. Why would non-credible intelligence be passed to allies at all, and why would they do it months after the US had it, and why would trump be ignorant of all of this? This BS doesn't pass the smell test.

njbr
njbr

Don't be so naive to think that the GRU does not operate in this manner.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels

Democrats' NONSENSE...... again ! Taliban doesn t need incentives to kill US soldiers in the first place ..... Yet loads of fools here on the blog grabbing the bait like babies grabbing their dummy and suck on it like crazy....

Sechel
Sechel

Drudge is highlighting this story from CNN. Several other outlets have said similar things.

(CNN)The intelligence that assessed there was an effort by a Russian military intelligence unit to pay the Taliban to kill US soldiers was included in one of President Donald Trump's daily briefings on intelligence matters sometime in the spring, according to a US official with direct knowledge of the latest information.
That assessment, the source said, was backed up by "several pieces of information" that supported the view that there was an effort by the Russian intelligence unit -- the GRU -- to pay bounties to kill US soldiers, including interrogation of Taliban detainees and electronic eavesdropping. The source said there was some other information that did not corroborate this view but said, nonetheless, '"This was a big deal. When it's about US troops you go after it 100%, with everything you got."

Sechel
Sechel

Don't be fooled by newly manufactured spin about "vetting." Unless processes have changed dramatically under this president, substantiated disagreements would have been included with the initial assessment.

DBG8489
DBG8489

I'm willing to bet less than .001% of the people writing about all this know the first thing about the vetting process or how intelligence briefings are built on a day-to-day basis.

Something as ridiculous on its face as "Russia is Paying Bounties for Dead US Soldiers" would likely never make it past the first round of "dodge the bullshit" unless it was backed up with highly-credible, triple-checked through actual HUMINT channels, incontrovertible evidence, and in all likelihood - actual proof beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The reason is simple: Paying bounties for the deaths of US troops would be considered an Act of War on the part of the paying country's government. It doesn't matter if it was a "Black Bag Intelligence Service Op." If proof exists that the GRU - an arm of the Russian government - is paying for the deaths of US troops, it's an Act of War from which no president could turn a blind eye.

Without some sort of proof, no one is even going to run the possibility up the flagpole because if they're wrong, that mistake will be an albatross around their neck for the rest of their career.

The other possibility is that it did happen, but it was a rogue op uncovered by intelligence sources, subsequently dealt with behind the scenes by the governments of both countries, and kept under wraps for any one of a variety of reasons including HUMINT security, overall OPSEC, or simply the fact that if the information were released, it would be politicized and used much like it's being used right now: As a weapon.

Sechel
Sechel

Yes! She would have

Sechel
Sechel

information was so bad they shared it with allies. intelligence isn't a conclusion its reporting.

Sechel
Sechel

what trump was doing the day the PDB was released:

Trump spent 45 minutes today w/producers behind a play that dramatized the text messages between FBI agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, complaining about why "some people are in prison and others aren't." He is now meeting with Diamond and Silk and others


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