Why It's Impossible to Get Rid of Bad Cops

Mish

Derek Chauvin, the officer who mudered George Floyd, had 18 complaints against him. He was diciplined twice. Why was he still on the force?

Please consider What We Know Derek Chauvin.

Before he knelt on Floyd’s neck, Chauvin was the subject of 18 prior complaints filed against him with the Minneapolis Police Department’s Internal Affairs.

Only two of the 18 complaints were “closed with discipline,” according to a MPD internal affairs public summary. In both cases, Chauvin received a letter of reprimand.

We do not know whether any of the other complaints were valid or not.

But 18 seems like quite a bit and it is certain that most valid charges are swept under the rug.

Already, the Minneapolis union signaled it wants to protect the other three officers complicit in the death of George Floyd.

Prosecutors Charge Police Inspector 

On Friday, Philadelphia Inspector Joseph Bologna smashed a student on the back of the head. 

Then after reviewing a cell phone video, Prosecutors Charge Police Inspector Instead of Protester.

Staff Inspector Joseph Bologna faces charges of aggravated assault, simple assault, possession of an instrument of crime and recklessly endangering another person, Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner announced Friday.

Prosecutors say Bologna was captured on cell phone video striking a Temple University student in the back of his head while he was participating in a mass demonstration on Monday.

The unidentified student suffered "serious bodily injury, including a large head wound that required treatment in a hospital while under arrest, including approximately 10 staples and approximately 10 sutures," Krasner's office said.

Philadelphia police arrested the student protester and detained him for more than 24 hours and referred him to the district attorney for prosecution. But after prosecutors reviewed the video and other evidence, Krasner declined to charge the student and charged Inspector Bologna instead.

Police Unions Defend Nearly Anything

The Philadelphia Fraternal Order of Police vowed in a statement to "vigorously defend Bologna against these baseless allegations and charges."

The police union said they were "disgusted" to learn about the charges. Bologna, a police officer for more than 30 years, was "engaged in a volatile and chaotic situation with only milliseconds to make a decision," the union said.

Public Unions are the Problem

It is nearly impossible to get rid of bad cops and bad teachers. 

It takes outright murder caught on video before police unions don't look the other way. Even then, the union tries to protect the others involved.

The same happens with teachers who abuse kids, Bad teachers cannot be dismissed. 

Bad Teachers Protected by Tenure and Unions

If you search, you can find hundreds of stories like this one: Dirty Dozen: 12 Bad Teachers Protected by Tenure and Unions.

Matthew Lang was a band director at O’Fallon Township High School in Illinois in 2007 when administrators learned he was having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old female student. But instead of being fired, Lang was able to resign, and the relationship was kept out of his file so he could seek another teaching job.

“… we are asking that all information concerning the request for his resignation not be placed in his file,” read a letter from the teacher’s union rep to the O’Fallon school board that was originally obtained by education news site EAGnews.

The district complied and even provided a letter of recommendation that called Lang “an outstanding instructor.” Lang landed a job with Alton High School near the Mississippi River and about 15 miles north of St. Louis, Mo.He worked at the school until 2010, when he was convicted of molesting another female student and sentenced to six years in prison, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Jon White was sentenced to 48 years in prison in 2008 for abusing ten students at schools in the Illinois towns of Urbana and Normal. But those victims might have been spared their ordeals if White’s past had been revealed.

He had previously worked in McLean’s school district, where he was twice suspended for viewing pornography on a school computer and for making sexually suggestive comments to a fifth-grader. Instead of being fired, the union-protected teacher was allowed to resign – with a letter of recommendation that made no mention of the incidents.

There are 10 more stories like that in the one article above.

Bust the Police Unions to Rank and Yank Bad Cops

As I started this article I was unaware of this WSJ article that came out yesterday: Bust the Police Unions to Rank and Yank Bad Cops

The police officer who killed George Floyd had been the subject of more than a dozen complaints about his conduct. In two previous incidents, Derek Chauvin had been disciplined with letters of reprimand. Tou Thao, who stood by as Floyd died, previously had a lawsuit brought against him over excessive use of force. The lawsuit was settled for $25,000. How can such men be allowed to “serve and protect”? Unions.

Public-sector unions, including police unions, will do almost anything to protect their members. These unions create a culture of impunity. Even police officers who are terminated can be reinstated, “often via secretive appeals geared to protect labor rights rather than public safety” as a 2014 piece in the Atlantic put it.

Letter by Franklin D. Roosevelt on Public Unions

Please consider a few key snips from FDR's Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service, August 16, 1937, emphasis mine.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. 

Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that "under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government."

Roosevelt was discussing strikes, but public unions threaten them all the times, especially teachers' unions. They demand money "for the kids". The school boards are padded with teachers demanding more money "for the kids".

Collective bargaining cannot possibly exist in such circumstances. Unions can and have shut down schools. The unions do not give a damn about the kids.

Notice I said "unions" do not give a damn. Many, if not most, teachers do care for the kids, but the union does not. The unions can, and do, protect teachers guilty of abusing kids. It is nearly impossible to get rid of a bad tenured teacher or a bad cop.

Unions also threaten to shut down mass transportation.

None of this is in the public interest.

Abolish Public Unions Entirely

Union leaders have a mandated goal of protecting bad cops, bad teachers, and corrupt politicians. Unions blackmail politicians and threaten the public they are supposed to serve.

Union leaders will do anything to stay in power, the kids and the public be damned.

The only way to deal with the situation is to "effectively" abolish public unions entirely.

The key word is effectively. What do I mean by that? Take away 100% of their power as opposed to ending their right of association.

Recommended Steps

  1. National right-to-work laws
  2. Abolishment of all prevailing wage laws
  3. Ending public unions ability to strike
  4. Ending collective bargaining by public unions

Consider Illinois' prevailing wage laws: Prevailing wages are union wages. Municipalities and businesses have to pay prevailing wages. If they do not hire union workers, they get picketed.

Why bother hiring non-union workers if you have to pay union wages in the first place? 

As a direct result, municipalities and businesses must overpay for services in Illinois. 

Illinois is Bankrupt

Not only do public unions protect bad cops, bad teachers, and bad employees in general, Illinois is bankrupt after giving in repeatedly to union contract demands and pension spiking. 

Fundamental Problem

Lost in the wake of the death of George Floyd is the simple fact that officers like Chauvin may have long ago been weeded out had corrupt union not protected bad cops.

The California Policy Center has a nice set of articles on the Problems of Collective Bargaining. 

Trump's Scorecard

President Trump had two years with a Republican Congress to pass legislation on right-to-work, collective bargaining, national bankruptcy reform and other related items.

His scorecard is a perfect zero.

It will be interesting to see if he cowers to the unions in the next 5 months in an attempt to get re-elected.

Police Unions Love Uprisings

The unions love these uprisings. They will use it to demand more cops, higher pay, and more prisons.

Public Unions Have No Business Existing: Even FDR Admitted That

The unions are willing to hold the public hostage without police service, without fire service and without schools to get what they want.

The fact of the matter is simple: Public Unions Have No Business Existing: Even FDR Admitted That.

Addendum: Reader Response

I just received this response from a reader.

"So tell me Mish. How do you reconcile your admission with the Police unions being at the heart of the problem with your support for the Democratic party which fully supports public unions."

My Reply

How the hell do you conclude I support the Democratic Party?

I speak out against what is wrong.

Speaking out against Trump does not make me a Democrat. Speaking out against Obama as I frequently did does me me "Radical Right" and yes, I was accused of that.

I am tired of idiots who support people and parties instead of ideas.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (150)
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shamrock
shamrock

To be fair, police officers have no say whether and how complaints against them are settled. That decision is made by risk management officials and often are settle for purely monetary reasons. If it costs $100k to defend and possibly lose, but only $25k to make it go away, then it's usually $25k.

Ted R
Ted R

Honestly- Because the pay is to low and the job is to dangerous so most educated people that want to earn a decent salary will not go into law enforcement. Police unions don't help the situation. Lots of, but not all, cops are just plain bullies. I hate to make these comments but they are true. My two cents anyway.

Morn
Morn

It's a much more difficult and longer-term project to change the mindset and behavior of individual cops than it is to change public policy and enforcement priorities. The union needs to go and the cultural shift in departments needs to happen, but the fruits of those changes might take years or more to see assuming things are put in place and problem officers shown the door over time. We can do something like make a policy choice to end the 'War on Drugs' right now (I'm surprised that's not being more explicitly demanded by protestors, actually) and a lot of the points of contact between problem cops and citizens wouldn't ever happen in the first place. Stuff like qualified immunity, use of force guidelines, no-knock warrants, and asset forfeiture all still need to be dealt with on their own but a lot the problems related to those issues are downstream of the drug war itself.

The other thing is that a lot of these localities need to look at themselves in the mirror and think about how many stupid business regulations they have that bring cops into contact with people just trying to make a buck (and as always burden minority communities more than others). The fact that Eric Garner even had an interaction with a cop, let alone got killed, for selling loose cigarettes is unbelievable.

Either way, each of these things is easier than depending on changing human nature.

Stuki
Stuki

Back when America still retained some trappings of a civilized country, near all policing was done by deputized civilians.

You can’t expect full-time, salaried people to put their lives on the line day in, day out; the way cops are sometimes asked to do; without giving them a bit more leeway than civilians would be afforded wrt how they respond to a tense situation. Which, over the course of many altercations, will inevitably lead to some of them, at least after the fact, turning out to have involved excessive force.

Cops go into most situations with very little information about the guy they are confronting’s motivations. They don’t know, a priori, that a protester is not carrying a knife up his sleeve (or even wearing a bomb belt). So that even if they have nothing but the best intentions, simple self preservation may still lead them to strike someone a bit harder than what they would have, if they knew all the facts beforehand.

I’m not excusing Chauvin, nor anyone else, as I’m sure there are cops who out there who do not have the best of intentions. But rather pointing out that trying to sort people, any people, cops as well as Presidents, into “good” and “bad”; is childishness with no place outside of fairytales. Instead, the goal needs to be designing “systems” which are tolerant of “bad” behavior. Which primarily resolves to minimizing the scope anyone, good or bad, has for coercing anyone else outside of in direct self defense.

Deputizing civilians, without (or with bare minimum) pay, did, and will, accomplish that. At least way better than any state security apparatus, staffed with people with privileged access to the use of force, ever will.

The amount of arbitrary nonsense you are able to rally a volunteer posse of deputies into taking time off from work to enforce, is only the tiniest fraction of what you can force someone to do as part of “their job.” So you’ll cut down the number of altercations, and specifically the number of less than genuinely and immediately serious ones. While at the same time ensuring there are no “unions” nor other entrenched special interests involved. As each altercation is one civilian versus another.

It’s only denizens of “The Swamp”, who thrive by maintaining the illusion that there are, a-priori, “good” (always themselves and those cheering for their political party, conveniently) and “bad” (just as conveniently, those who oppose them…) actors. Whether Dear Leaders, Cops, this or that. The Founders recognized this, which is why their focus was on limiting government, period. Not on finding some “good” Dear Leader to hand unlimited powers to, instead of a “bad” one.

Or, to put it more succcinctly: If government does something bad, the solution is to reduce government powers until they, whether they be “good” or “bad”, are no longer in a position to do that anymore.

Carl_R
Carl_R

It's not just teachers and police; it's federal employees in all departments. Work for the courts, and turn out to be incompetent? You might be forced to sit in your office all day doing nothing until you give up and quit, or retire. Work for the VA and don't do anything? They can hire more people to do the actual work to make up for the people who do little, or they can close wings of the hospital since they don't have enough (working) employees to keep the whole place open.

Mish
Mish

Editor

"So tell me Mish. How do you reconcile your admission with the Police unions being at the heart of the problem with your support for the Democratic party which fully supports public unions."

How the hell do you conclude I support the Democratic Party?

I speak out against what is wrong.

Speaking out against Trump does not make me a Democrat.

Speaking out against Obama as I frequently did does me me "Radical Right" and yes I was accused of that.

I am tired of idiots who support people and parties instead of ideas.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple

You are a hero Mish. This is your best post ever. I can literally add nothing that would improve it.

Abolish public unions NOW!

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple

"I am tired of idiots who support people and parties instead of ideas."

THIS.

psalm876
psalm876

You only have the first half of the corrupting influence of police unions.
Their reach goes into every elected office in their state. The mayor's office, the city councils, the DA, the municipal and county judges all seek an endorsement of "police organizations" when seeking their office. And, apparently in Minneapolis, even the coroner's office.
When coupled with "qualified immunity", there is no more accountability for abusing a citizen's civil rights.
A sure signal of police corruption is the "Thin Blue Line" motif. It truly is a gang signal, and departments that allow it to be displayed on uniforms and equipment exhibit the most thuggish behavior. (Once you see it in that light, it can't be denied.)

numike
numike

"Negro problem,?” Douglass thundered. “There is no Negro problem. The problem is whether the American people have… honor enough
patriotism enough, to live up to their own Constitution…. We Negroes love our country. We fought for it. We ask only that we be treated as well as those who fought against it.”
Frederick Douglas

Sechel
Sechel

Police unions are too strong. Look at how they've secured pensions at young ages that bankrupt their cities. The police retire, get a second job and collect both a pay check and a pension.

It's just too hard to reign in the union. First if a politician secures a deal with them they get votes in the process. Second politicians who cross the union get labeled soft on crime.

Civilian review board are the right answer and go along way toward fixing the problem. The marches help too and counter the power police unions have.

The president of the Minneapolis police union has written to its members calling George Floyd a “violent criminal”, describing those protesting over his death as terrorists and criticizing the city’s political leadership for not authorizing greater use of force to stop the rioting.

Bob Kroll has to go but it won't be easy. This may be the environment to do it however. Sounds like Bob Kroll doesn't understand the job of an officer which is to protect the public and defend the constitution. He thinks he's the sheriff and the law and defames others and doesn't wince while doing it.

There are many good cops. I hope this isn't seen as tarring them all with the same brush, but clearly there are some bad ones and they must go.

Sechel
Sechel

Public unions have no place in our society. I have no issue with private ones. But he example of the police circumventing justice and every union bankrupting their cities in partnership with their mayors are two key reasons it doesn't work

Realist
Realist

Abolish Unions?

I will take the other side of that.

Unions serve a useful purpose, which is to give workers some leverage and protection against injustices. However, unions aren’t perfect, and will occasionally protect workers who should be dismissed for just cause.

In their role, they are somewhat like lawyers, who are assigned to provide Defense to those who can’t afford a lawyer. Everyone deserves representation, even if they are in the wrong.

To vilify unions, who by rights, must defend their members, is playing political games; whether Republican, Democrat, or Libertarian. As I am apolitical, I call bullshit on your argument Mish.

Without unions, workers end up with close to zero leverage vs employers. How can one worker hope to negotiate with a company that has tens of thousands of employees? They can’t. Sure, they can quit. But that’s a piss-poor solution.

The primary reason the US ended up with a middle class was unions. One of the reasons the middle class is shrinking dramatically now is because of the demise of unions.

Having said all that; I am a realist.

Unions are disappearing, and where they still exist, they are almost irrelevant because of automation and global competitiveness. As a result, most workers are on their own today. Soon, Mish will get his wish and there will be no unions left to defend workers.

At that point, there will be no middle class left.

The only leverage a worker will have will be his/her skill set and relevance to the company.

That is why I devote a lot of my time and money to help a charity that trains workers; to give them the skills they need to compete in the dog-eat-dog job market of today’s world. Soon, that is all workers will have to negotiate with as unions will be gone.

Please note that I am not condoning bad cops, bad teachers, bad assembly line workers etc. Some people should be fired.

And yes, even in today’s justice system, some people get away with murder. I trust the justice system will do the right thing when it comes to these four officers, whatever that may be.

But I still call bullshit on Mish’s call to abolish unions.

TeleAllende
TeleAllende

I support unions as well.
I've investigated the possibility of suing my wife's employer for certain things, and turns out due to arbitration clauses we basically have no rights, and employer holds all the cards.
Also - the CEOs currently make 1000's times more money than regular workers. Engineers at my organization with 30 years of experience hold a title of "Technical Leader" and have pretty good salaries by Silicon Valley tech standards, but make 200 times less than our CEO. How do you reconcile that without collective bargaining?
The management will just buy back stocks and rewards themselves all the time.

Tengen
Tengen

The unions do a lot in promoting the thin blue line mentality, but the problem runs even deeper than that.

I would expect public perception of cops to keep deteriorating like it has for decades. They will be militarized to an even greater extent, plus their primary role is to generate revenue. They do can do this the ordinary way by giving out more tickets and citations, or the underhanded way with civil asset forfeiture.

Aside from shaking people down for money, they often come under pressure to make more arrests to show they are being "productive". This aggressive and uneven policing can only alienate people further.

A lot of the blame can be assigned well above the average policeman's pay grade, but they have been willing participants too. As designed, the job attracts bullies and you have to wonder about anyone willing to sign up for an obvious boondoggle like the War on Drugs.

TeleAllende
TeleAllende

The Police in my city (Sunnyvale, CA) are outstanding citizens and deserve pensions etc... I will gladly pay more taxes to pay for better police. The outreach to the community is fantastic from both our police and fire depts. There are quarterly events for children etc..., excellent organization of farmers markets. Also, I don't see why a good policeman should be paid less than a good engineer, do you? Whenever there is a mess in the city, they clean it up pronto.

Sechel
Sechel

Since when is Trump a Republican? In name only after changing what it represents..

Sechel
Sechel

Wonder how many Republicans would chose a Democrat over Steve King

WildBull
WildBull

Also why NYC pays pedophile teachers to sit in empty rooms and collect paychecks. What a sick perverted world.

Spyguy
Spyguy

Who would put up with the public abuse, were it not for the pensions. As it stands there is little interest in the job and the ranks will go unfilled. Maybe we should just pay $15 an hour, give them a gun and cross your fingers.

LexRex1776
LexRex1776

I totally agree with your analysis of police unions. Most people in law enforcement are good and are there for the right reasons, but there are more than a few bad apples who are thugs who want to practice their thuggery under the color of law as police officers. For the good of everyone involved, these people need to be purged from the ranks of law enforcement. It's a shame the frustration of good people has been channeled by Antifa and other fomenters of mindless violence toward a non-issue, racism, when it should have been channeled to the issue you have raised.

Sechel
Sechel

Kroll is a member of City Heat, a police motorcyle club whose members have "openly displayed white supremacist symbols. There's a 2007 lawsuit against him alleging discrimination.

mkestrel
mkestrel

I have lived in California for 47 years and can say that most police here are useless. The police no longer protect and serve, they are another revenue source for the government. The liberals are busy in some cities working to remove their funding. Its quite amazing that the protesters seem to ignore that most of the abuse is happening in liberal cities and states.

Tim E
Tim E

The Police are governed by an appointed body, usually called the "Police and Fire Commission" which is appointed by the Mayor and affirmed by the Common Council. So the first problem is that the Police are the private Praetorian Guard of the Mayor, and we all know how corrupt and criminal Politicians are.

Next - the Police have a wide range in discretion concerning whether or not charges should be brought against a Person who has committed a crime. So when the Mayor, Alderpersons, other connected Politicains, etc are caught committing a crime..... well.... there can be a price to pay - your career can be ruined and one faces prison, OR one can vote for pay and benefit increases and look the other way when Police become abusive and you get to keep your cushy taxpayer funded job and retirement.

Here in Racine WI - many Police moonlight for a private police agency which handles Downtown - where the Bigshots and Politicians go to party. It relieves the pressure on the Police - but it also creates a group of people who know the peccadilloes of local Politicians and Business Leaders. Downtown Racine WI is like Vegas - what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, as long as you have the right political connections, status, and are willing to go along to get along.

The problem starts with the corrupt and criminal Politicians.

tokidoki
tokidoki

What's new? Shit rises to the top as usual. Witness Obomba, Trump, Clinton, etc.

It's not that public unions are bad, if the leadership is bad, it doesn't matter whether it's a public union or not. They'll protect bad actors in the end.

But so what?

Thank God there's the stock market. It's a solution to all life's problems.

njbr
njbr

Minneapolis' Third Precinct served as 'playground' for renegade cops
Even before George Floyd was killed, the south Minneapolis precinct had a reputation for being home to police officers who played by their own rules.

Mish
Mish

Editor

I changed the word idiots" to "fools"
I believe it is more accurate

Edit - so meany people here anbd on Twitter quoted me on that I had to change it back.

Jackula
Jackula

I'd like to add when police and fire unions are in a juristiction where they have a choice between Dem and Repub they are far more likely to support the Repub candidate. But, that being said, one could make a case the public union problem is non-partisan. And like I said local politicians cower in fear of the power of the police and fire unions. In local off-cycle elections mostly just a few old people vote whom are very pro police and fire...

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

I hear you Mish. I'm caught in the middle like you. Some of my family members think because I voted for Trump in California that I was somehow responsible for his failures and should be blamed for everything going wrong. These same family members were happy last year with Trump's economic performance and market performance and changes to labor visa programs despite having voted for Hilary. They now claim they knew all along Trump would be a disaster. I've never registered with either party in any state because of what you state Mish - ideas over party or people. No candidate is going to perfect and the pendulum is going swing. The two party system is what got us to this place. Every profession uses Washington and their local government to rig laws in their peofession's favor. This happens with every lobby, union and special interest group. Bernie was right about ome thing . Until we get rid of money in politics nothing will change. It's too bad Bernie didnt win either time. We are stuck with the two party system and will swing again to the Democrats who will fail us by 2022.

Jojo
Jojo

There’s One Big Reason Why Police Brutality Is So Common In The US. And That’s The Police Unions.
Police unions have become increasingly rightwing as a backlash to the Obama administration and Black Lives Matter — and that’s bad news for the cities they police.
June 1, 2020, at 7:05 p.m. ET

Where did policing go wrong?
Crime has been down for decades, but incarceration is still sky-high and brutality cases keep tearing the country apart. Does policing in America need a fundamental re-think?
Matt Taibbi
Jun 2, 2020

amigator
amigator

Good stuff. No doubt the unions are having a negative impact and influence on a volatile situation. Seems they started on the right track but have been corrupted by the age old human greed factor much like our politician community.

I guess we have given up on obeying laws. We can't seem find a punishment that will detour people or we have just lost our sense of social community that we really rely on to all get along. New laws will not fix our problems, but they might give us some temporary relief and maybe a chance to recover. There is always hope!

Herkie
Herkie

This really is not any different from the old BLUE WALL OF SILENCE that we have had to deal with for generations now. The unions are just a part of that wall being made up of police itself. The real problem here is the ongoing and escalating militarization of cops. I will not go into details yet again about my own experience with this but only to remind everyone that I was working at a state park in California after my service in the air force. The rangers there were kind and did their jobs with great care, till the old head ranger retired and was replaced with a guy that was better suited to special ops than as a park ranger. He militarized these decent men and women (well, woman, only one ranger was female and she worked for the National Parks not state) and suddenly all NON COP individuals were subsequently referred to as dirt bags.

So, they have been encouraged to think of the world as an us verses them mentality in which the public is them and a disgusting lot of criminals at the best of times. Then armed to the teeth with military grade weapons that a SWAT team would envy anywhere else in the world. To that extent we have become a police state. Gone are the days when you would be pulled over by a cop and given a friendly warning for some minor infraction, they now know more about you when they approach your vehicle than the whole government knew about us just a generation ago, they rarely do anything without backup, extra force in case it is needed, and they smash your face in dirt and dog shit (has happened to me) just on the off chance you may actually be any sort of danger. They look for danger and so they see danger. And both sides of that blue wall escalate and see what they need to see, want to see. The cops create the danger that justifies their brutality.

We have to have cops, but at ANY price? They have taken their focus off of crime since they now see all of us as criminals.

BillSanDiego
BillSanDiego
  1. One of the best things Reagan ever did was fire the air traffic controllers.
  2. Quote from a speaker representing the SEIU at a San Diego County Supervisors meeting, "We put you in office and we can throw you out."
  3. A private sector union negotiation occurs between the two stakeholders, workers and management. A public sector negotiation does not. It occurs between workers and elected officials, and is biased because the union heavily influences the election of one of the principals in the negotiation. The other stakeholder, the taxpayer, who are paying the bills, are not included in the negotiation. That process is inherently corrupt.
Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Mish, you might want to review the 2016 Presidential Election Map By County. Deep Blue are decades-long Democratic Machine strongholds where public unions flourish, including police and teachers unions. The politicians and public unions have a mutual protection racket going. Politicians provide the salaries, health benefits and pensions to the unions. The unions provide the votes and campaign contributions to the politicians. The politicians and unions usual cover up or downplay any controversies which may reach the public. It’s all fun and games until a George Floyd or many similar incidents occur. Those MN cops behaved as if their would be no blowback... and the mayor did jack sh-t, then the city went up. A few years ago in Chicago what was the personal downside to Rahmmy-Baby after he obstructed justice by concealing the recording of the police shooting a few years ago? We know that the cop went to prison, but what about Rahm? No bricks thrown at him. No house or business burned out. Local media did not hold him personally accountable at all. He slithered out of town after his term, he lives in New York City, where he has 24 / 7 private security paid for by Chicago taxpayers, just like former Mayor Mumbles does. The The Big City D Mayors clutch their pearls and blame Whitey Mc Whiteface in the ‘burbs, some small town rednecks and hillbillies or conveniently now, Trump. You grew up in Danville, IL and (still?) live in Marengo. Not exact political powerhouses in the state compared to Chicago and Crook County. You need to pronounce Illinois like this: “Michael Madiganistan”. There are similar areas in the country. I wouldn’t want to be a Chicago cop for any amount of pay / pension, I’m not a fan, either, but if the Mayor, Governor, protesters and media don’t like them then perhaps they can be replaced with members if the Chicago Teachers Union and SEIU, since they have been well rested for the past 4 months sitting on their @sses at home at full pay.

king.quikcoin
king.quikcoin

Trump's Scorecard-
President Trump had two years with a Republican Congress to pass legislation on right-to-work, collective bargaining, national bankruptcy reform and other related items.
His scorecard is a perfect zero.

Obama's Scorecard-
President Obama had eight years with a Democratic Congress and the overwhelming support of the American people and the news media to pass legislation on right-to-work, collective bargaining, national bankruptcy reform and other related items.

His scorecard is a perfect less than zero.

jivefive99
jivefive99

Readers are familiar with Mish's views on unions. The police do not care about mayors. They do not care about city councils. They do not care about county boards. Thru their unions and their supporters, it is the STATE LAWS which regulate the cops, and ultimately protect them from all situations. Here in Illinois, I wouldnt be surprised to find out the guy who runs Illinois (Madigan) has shepherded thru all these pro-police laws. They used to try to shoot you in the leg in the 1970s. When that was too "unpredictable," they moved to death sentence for any threat to a cop. There is no reason to stop bad behavior when you know "daddy" is protecting you.

king.quikcoin
king.quikcoin

You failed to mention Obama's enthusiastic support from the media.

TCW
TCW

Let's bring back suffrage where only landowners or maybe taxpayers can vote. Voting should be a privilege, that's how our Founders set it up, it wasn't supposed to be a right where anyone could vote themselves a paycheck. It would also incentivize folks to become productive members of society.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant

I have a rule to never vote for anyone that wants the job. The Greeks used a lottery among the landed people to fill the Senate with people who were farmers and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Senate chambers.

Herkie
Herkie

Mish, public unions might be a powerful participant in the very complex issue of police abuses, for one thing they defend bad cops no matter what, but, they can still only do what the laws and court precedent allow, therefore it is reasonable to say that the unions are only doing what the newer more conservative courts ALLOW them to do.

Please look at this Lawfair article about the now entrenched policy of QUALIFIED IMMUNITY applied to police. It's advent via the courts absolutely coincides with the rise of police abuse a a subsequent drop in civil rights cases that will never see the light of day.

The results of the judicial precedent speak for themselves when 80% of voters say they think the US is spiraling out of control. Such a belief is self reinforcing and so if they believe it then we are in fact spiraling out of control.

This is WHY the control of judicial appointments is so critical to a free nation, when it is taken over by one or another side in ideological partisanship the result is going to be disastrous. And now we see it is with an all but immune police super state of brutality and abuse fostered by the courts and laws and only then involving unions as the instrument by which police reform becomes near impossible because of the lack of respect for citizens basic civil rights.

Saying that police unions are responsible for police excesses is like saying hospital buildings are responsible for illnesses.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab

Mish nails it! There should be no unions in public service. By representing/supporting all members, unions essentially promote mediocrity.
In many cases, the union supports illegal behavior by restricting the employer's right to fire or punish.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab

Having worked in academia in both unionized faculty and non-unionized management, oh the stories I could tell. It always amused me how often a secretarial position was closed, not because it wasn't needed, it was the only way to get rid of incompetence. Once closed, it remained closed because the replacement would be someone else whose position was closed elsewhere in the university... likely even more incompetent.

LarryK
LarryK

Two comments Mish.....

First, I know many actual policemen, and quite a few on the Chicago Police Department. These are men and women who truly try to serve the communities they protect. HOWEVER, and to a person, when they arrest anyone in a low income community, the first thing many of these perpetrators do is to file a complaint against the officer. They know that this triggers a review process and attorneys to perhaps get the charges dismissed. Politicians (ie Kim Foxx in the State Attorney Office), activists on the police accountability review board, etc seem to default to blaming the police and dropping charges. In cases where there was a rough arrest where the person resisted, they even try to get settlements which city hall often grants. Like anything, when people know how the system works, they try to take advantage of it. You throw corrupt liberal politicians in the mix....and there you go. My point, SERIOUSLY take the raw complaint number with a big grain of salt. Its like filing lawsuits....they get filed like candy as even if they dont win, there is no cost. Unless loser pays.

Second, the user comment about you responding to ideas rather than parties.....I get it. The only problem I have, call it a conundrum....is that, as an example, Ive never liked Trump the person. Couldnt care for his shennanigans, or that Apprentice show, etc before he was elected. Still dont. That being said, many of the policies he implements are great....tax cuts, judges, trade, etc, even as he tweets like an idiot. Ill vote for him and other Republicans I dont like (voted for Romney and McCain), as they represent a party with an ideology. If I voted for Biden if I liked him, and even his announced polices better, I would also be supporting the policies of Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, etc. They represent a policy pool that is insane. So like I held my nose and voted for Romney, I would hope that people look at the big picture and vote accordingly. Your local democrat representative that is a great person and really clicks with you and your local policy preferences, will still vote for Pelosi for speaker, and when push comes to shove (Obamacare) they will ALWAYS put party over their promises. Unlike republicans (see Paul Ryan), that will always put ideological purity above party....even if doing so results in the antithesis of what they are saying they want.

Thanks!

VKL
VKL

Unions are the problem, I agree with you 100%! Till things completely collapse like they are in Illinois, it will only get worse! I agree you are not a demo-publican! I am moving to be more like you! Mother Nature is getting involved too, the 4th quadrant if I am correct of the Pacific Ring of Fire is coming back to like, and SF or LA is going to have the big one very soon! We are having lots of Quakes in the 2.5 to 5.0 range! Remember they say it always comes in threes! Cost billions and possibly trillions, I am surprised Paul Krugman did not propose this out come! Maybe Pelosi will be burnt into a rock along with other politicians holding her outrageously expensive ice cream and her $20,000 ice cream freezer sculpted into the rock for future generations to see and learn from! (Another POMPEII) Once again this is not a right or left issue! Since we cannot take care of ourselves, I guess it is left up to benevolent Aliens or God!

aprnext
aprnext

Oh my gosh. Day after day of nonsense & finally someone uses thought/logic to tackle the problem. Awesome.

Anon1970
Anon1970

George Floyd participated in a home invasion robbery in which a pregnant black woman was robbed and terrorized. But you won't read about it in the NY Times. You can learn more about Floyd's rap sheet here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=JtPfoEvNJ74&feature=emb_logo

The NY Times and other mainstream media practice selective reporting to fit their political agenda.

aprnext
aprnext

Check out Camden NJ a few yrs ago. Fascinating