Trump's Lysol Moment: His Most Ridiculous Comment Ever

Mish

Yesterday, Trump proposed testing disinfectants internally. The makers of Lysol reacted in horror as did the medical profession.

Today Trump says he was being sarcastic. Let's play the videos from yesterday and today to see if his claim is credible.

Trump Promotes Disinfectants

Trump made the comments after Bill Bryan, the head of the science and technology directorate at the Department of Homeland Security, discussed some research about how COVID-19 reacted to sunlight.

Complete Transcript 

"So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."

The above courtesy of Business Insider.

Again this was in regard to a discussion between Trump and Bill Bryan of the Department of Homeland Security.

Trump's Preposterous Claim Today

"No, I was asking a question sarcastically, to reporters just like you," said Trump.

Warning From Disinfectant Makers

US News reports Disinfectant Makers Steer Consumers Away From Trump's Coronavirus Comments.

  • Reckitt Benckiser , the UK-based maker of Lysol and Dettol, issued the first warning, saying: "Under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route)."
  • Clorox , maker of bleach, soon followed, calling it critical for consumers to understand the facts. "Bleach and other disinfectants are not suitable for consumption or injection under any circumstances," it said.

Stung From All Sides

Politico reports Trump gets stung from all sides after floating injections of disinfectants.

Although the president clearly directed those queries at the briefing to Bill Bryan, the acting undersecretary of Science and Technology at the Department of Homeland Security, he insisted at a White House event Friday that they were meant for reporters.

What About Sunlight and Warmer Temperatures?

Politico reports Trump promotes theory suggesting sunlight can kill coronavirus.

Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus task force coordinator, said she had not seen research to support the theory that heat could kill viruses.

“I mean, certainly, fever is a good thing when you have a fever because it helps your body respond. But I have not seen heat for viruses,” said Birx during the briefing.

“It would be irresponsible for us to say that we feel the summer will totally kill the virus,” said Bryan.

Twitter Response

Reuters reports Twitter allows Trump COVID-19 disinfectant videos, blocks '#InjectDisinfectant'

Twitter exploded with discussion of the president’s comments, made at his daily media briefing on Thursday, with such trending terms as “Lysol,” “#disinfectant,” “DontDrinkBleach” and “#InjectDisinfectant.”

The social media site later said it had blocked the trends “InjectDisinfectant” and “InjectingDisinfectant.”

Laugh of the Day

Questions Roll In

Who Will Believe Trump

True Believers Believe, That's What They Do

Even if they play the above videos, Trump's true believers, will believe Trump.

But it will not be either the true believers or the never-Trumpers who decide the election. Rather it will be the independents.

Many independents and swing voters are sick of Trump. Enough? 

I believe so. We find out in November.

Mish

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Tengen
Tengen

There is a huge silver lining to this crisis if people can finally realize how useless our political leadership has become. If the likes of Trump and Biden are the crème de la crème of our system, things have obviously gone dreadfully wrong.

Nothing about this whole event should inspire confidence, so hopefully all the people sitting at home are engaging their brains to some degree rather than getting inebriated and trolling each other.

Wait, who am I kidding, this is America. U-S-A! U-S-A!

Anda
Anda

Sunlight works according to

But heat not so much apparently, maybe depending on humidity. Read that 60 centigrade did not remove virus in lab.

CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

You say "His Most Ridiculous Comment Ever"...
I say "stay tuned"....

gregggg
gregggg

It all gets rediculouser and rediculouser until it gets rediculiest. Can somebody give me a scale of rediculishousness so we can make a graph?

obstruksion
obstruksion

But Hillary was a warmonger...

CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

"Breaking News"...

"Aides and allies making concerted effort to get Trump to stop doing daily briefings"

This part reminds me of "shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic":

"Just before Friday's briefing, the White House attempted to remove CNN's reporter covering the briefing from her assigned seat. The White House Correspondents' Association makes seat assignments for the briefings, as it has for decades, and the White House does not have input into the seating arrangement."

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish

I dunno. When I played the video, I didn't even hear "injecting bleach" or whatever I'd been primed to hear. I just heard some stuff about UV and a general upbeat tone.

So, let's count the effects of Trump's talk and the talk of his opponents. Which of the two has had a higher CPM for the words, "inject bleach or Lysol"? Easy. Gotta go with the opponents on this one. Interesting, that. Given that T opponents figure T supporters are blithering idiots, one can't help but trot out a conspiracy theory of this whole thing being "Trump opponents trying to kill Trump supporters".

Side note: You'll trick yourself if you read transcripts of Trump. He's all pacing, tone, and texture. Put his talk on paper and it's worse than an old machine translation between Lapland and Bantu. By contrast, read Obama's speeches. Don't listen to Obama. He's a repellent speaker. But the written form? Tip top.

tokidoki
tokidoki

Bleach? Too hard, you still have to mix it up with water. Although Trump supporters might mistake bleach for cocaine.

Next, he'll recommend squirting a bit of hand sanitizer every morning into people's mouths. Supposed to kill 99% of all viruses, bacteria and stuff right?

Look, if you can eat/drink bleach/hand sanitizer and still survive, you probably should be given the ok to go out. Forget all those antibody tests.

DaKine509
DaKine509

Mish (a man I respect greatly) sounds like how my mom complains about Trump. Sad!

How about we switch to the hideous Iran tweet? Awful on its face, even worse when you know it's to short squeeze oil seven bucks for a week...

Can we focus on that?

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus ‘cure’ wrote to Trump this week.

az_dirt
az_dirt

Not any sort of fan of the prez but I think he was sort of free associating based on some earlier discussion about disinfectants killing the virus. You'd hope he was smarter than to do make such a statement so there's that. If he could string a few thoughts together to form a coherent strategy and stick to the strategy....well, we're past the point of hoping for that.

TCW
TCW

"is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning" This is not a statement of what to do, it is a question of "is it possible." He's not a doctor so he wouldn't know, so he's asking the question.

Carl_R
Carl_R

So, ignore the disinfectant part and the comments are beyond mortifying. Yes, of course, UVC light will kill viruses. It kills anything living. You want to hit the skin with that? Its going to kill the skin, and damage your cornea. Hospitals use it for disinfectant. They wheel a machine into a room, put it on a timer, leave, and lock the door. UVC is also used in HVAC systems. I have one in mine. However, it must never be exposed to your skin, and you should never look at it.

OH, oops, he was joking about that, too? Just wash your hands with soap and water. It's a lot easier and safer.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Despite the Lysol comment Trump had a good week imo because he pivoted back towards immigration. Many citizens will soon wonder why we need 65000 more people taking American jobs of laid off citizens. Halting all labor visa programs is a good first step. I was a single issue voter for Trump in 2016. I may have to hold my nose again because I don't trust the Democratic party on the issue of immigration and specifically importing labor. When the economy turns out to be in really bad shape soon, it is going to be to Trump's advantage on immigration issues even with independents who are immigrant citizens.

wootendw
wootendw

"Many independents and swing voters are sick of Trump. Enough?"

I predict that some time between Labor Day and Election Day, Mish will predict one of the following:

Trump will beat Biden

or

Klobuchar will beat Trump.

Mish's prediction will prove correct, as usual.

BaronAsh
BaronAsh

Trump mangles the language unforgivably and I nearly always cringe listening to him. But his intentions are generally go-forward and easy to read. If you want to read his comments on infection and light as being really, really dumb, I guess you can, though really to conflate his question to recommending people inject Lysol is a bit much. Hard to say who are more childish: the ignorant masses who might do such a thing, or the media for suggestion such a warped interpretation. Mish nailed Trump on his disingenuous answer this morning. Disgraceful, and disgracefully bad performance.

Still, the BIG POINT of that section is being missed - which is why Lysol is front and center and even smart people like MISH are falling for it: the big news is that if you outside to the beach in hot, humid weather, you have basically 0% chance of catching anything. And if you are not on the beach but in hot, humid Georgia pretty much anywhere, the same. It's late April, soon May. Staying cooped up in dehumidified, cool rooms as the weather warms up is dangerous. Going outside into fresh air and sunshine is salutary and not risky viz corona.

That message has been missed. And it is being missed deliberately. Far too many in the mix right now want the economy to fail, people to suffer, so they can achieve political ends. And those desired ends transcend the election, although that's an important battle of course.

Like all Presidents, Trump is increasingly a prisoner in the fishbowl of the Administrate State and attendant media matrix (and more). He is trying to talk over and around the experts whom he does not wish to undermine or contradict overmuch (for whatever reason I cannot perceive) even though they have made some huge errors in judgment and helped cause tremendous damage to the country. He is messaging those willing to hear, namely that we have prophylactics and therapeutics and now that warm weather is coming the danger is past.

Many people heard that message and did not get distracted by the Lysol silliness. Indeed, they were too busy protesting near or actually enjoying the beach after far too long! Much of the country will be opened up within 10 days or so as that message gradually sinks in. Sunshine, warm weather, bad for viral infections.... what will they come up with next?!

sangell
sangell

I watched the news conference unlike most people commenting here who rely on CNN and fake news for their 'facts'. The discussion was about the effects of sunlight, temperature and alcohol on the covid virus. Now anyone who has ever taken a breathalyzer test or seen one KNOWS that ingested alcohol is exhaled. The more alchohol you consume the higher the tevel you exhale so, yes alcohol does enter the lungs and could kill corona virus, at least theoretically. A quart of rum might be a better treatment than a ventilator. UV light is used to sterilize blood much like hemo dialysis machines clean blood for people with limited kidney function. Its not silly or stupid especially when the big wigs of medical science have no treatments and were murdering people with ventilators.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

I agree with you that independents decide but even in this supposed bad week for Trump, he was within the margin of error in Michigan against Biden. This is not good news for the Democrats or Biden. If Trump can turn the election into American citizens versus non-citizens in the labor market, he stands a better chance of winning in 2020. Halting immigration programs this week wasn't an accident. Even tech organizations in the Bay Area who support tech workers who are citizens have a huge voice in the White House now in Steven Miller (Trump's adviser on all things immigration and labor force related). It will not take much for Trump to tip the scales in 2020 now that the economy, employment and labor force issues will come to the forefront. If Biden and the Democrats threaten to undo the changes in the labor visa programs, then they just alienate more citizens in swing states. Even immigrants from Asia who are citizens now can see the benefit of what Trump is doing on the immigration and labor front. At some point you just can't have underemployment of citizens as a problem. This is the major reason Trump won in 2016.

Freebees2me
Freebees2me

Trump shouldn’t have been “spitballing” ideas real time.

And, he shouldn’t have then said he was being sarcastic to dismiss it.

But, show me where he said “Lysol” or “Clorox”. You can’t because he didn’t.

If you hate everything about him, your opinion is worthless garbage. It just is. Because it doesn’t inform anyone about anything other than to say you hate him.

In context, his intent was clear. He was saying “let’s get creative”. We know things work. Maybe there’s something we can learn from it. You realize an antibiotic is essentially a disinfectant. It attacks and kills germs, which is how it works. It’s not Lysol or Clorox.

If this was 60 years ago, and Trump said let’s look at maybe doing heart surgery by inserting a tiny wire in a person groin area while their still awake on the operating table, Trump would have gotten this exact same “he’s a Buffoon” reaction.

Can’t Wait for Sleepy Joe

He’ll make Trump look like a genius. Maybe we’ll see Biden try and smell the Donald’s hair. That would be cool, don’t you think (or don’t you).

And to all the clowns out there (I.e., Trump haters) who will be rabidly defending Sleepy Joe for saying “a thing, you know, a thing...”. Your time is coming. You’ll get no mercy...

numike
numike

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week
Mark Grenon wrote to Trump saying chlorine dioxide ‘can rid the body of Covid-19’ days before the president promoted disinfectant as treatment

Realist
Realist

One thing is clear after reading Mish’s post and all the comments: Trump supporters will defend him no matter what he says or does. No matter how stupid or insane he is.

Whether he recommends taking dangerous compounds like hydroxychloroquine; muses about sanitizing the lungs by drinking bleach; or shoots someone on fifth avenue; his supporters will make excuses for him. It's too late for them to admit they made a mistake by electing this moron.

Worst President ever.

MorningCoffee
MorningCoffee

Internal application of disinfectant has been used for some time. It's called Ozone (O3) therapy and used to kill viruses and promote immunity. Brilliant idea but Trump can't really claim credit for it.

njbr
njbr

And the faithful soldiers stand up, put their silly hats on and do their silly walk--and we are not supposed to laugh.

Trumps comments followed a discussion on cleaning hard surfaces with the use of disinfectants (such as Lysol and bleach) and UV light. They work in minutes! And are effective in killing the virus!

And with application of his stable geniousity, he wanders down the speculative path off why not use them on the inside of bodies, too!?!

But go on, you do you, put on the silly hats, do the silly walk, and start on with the whataboutisms, and the various times when you were told sunlight and fresh air is a good for illness. For you, these old tropes are enough reassurance that his sagacity is unparalleled.

You're a good follower.

MorningCoffee
MorningCoffee

Internal application of disinfectants is not a political statement, just science. The concept has been around for a long time - not something new.

michiganmoon
michiganmoon

We are a country of about 330 million people. Can we get a presidential match up that isn't an arrogant moron vs a guy that is going senile?

njbr
njbr

Meanwhile in the real medical world, the excess blood clotting issue with CV is coming to the fore :

...The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the coronavirus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.

As Oxley, an interventional neurologist, began the procedure to remove the clot, he observed something he had never seen before. On the monitors, the brain typically shows up as a tangle of black squiggles — “like a can of spaghetti,” he said — that provide a map of blood vessels. A clot shows up as a blank spot. As he used a needlelike device to pull out the clot, he saw new clots forming in real-time around it.

“This is crazy,” he remembers telling his boss.

Reports of strokes in the young and middle-aged — not just at Mount Sinai, but also in many other hospitals in communities hit hard by the novel coronavirus — are the latest twist in our evolving understanding of its connected disease, covid-19. Even as the virus has infected nearly 2.8 million people worldwide and killed about 195,000 as of Friday, its biological mechanisms continue to elude top scientific minds. Once thought to be a pathogen that primarily attacks the lungs, it has turned out to be a much more formidable foe — impacting nearly every major organ system in the body.

Until recently, there was little hard data on strokes and covid-19.

There was one report out of Wuhan, China, that showed that some hospitalized patients had experienced strokes, with many being seriously ill and elderly. But the linkage was considered more of “a clinical hunch by a lot of really smart people,” said Sherry H-Y Chou, a University of Pittsburgh Medical Center neurologist and critical care doctor.

Now for the first time, three large U.S. medical centers are preparing to publish data on the stroke phenomenon. The numbers are small, only a few dozen per location, but they provide new insights into what the virus does to our bodies.

Coronavirus destroys lungs. But doctors are finding its damage in kidneys, hearts and elsewhere.

A stroke, which is a sudden interruption the blood supply, is a complex problem with numerous causes and presentations. It can be caused by heart problems, clogged arteries due to cholesterol, even substance abuse. Mini-strokes often don’t cause permanent damage and can resolve on their own within 24 hours. But bigger ones can be catastrophic.

The analyses suggest coronavirus patients are mostly experiencing the deadliest type of stroke. Known as large vessel occlusions, or LVOs, they can obliterate large parts of the brain responsible for movement, speech and decision-making in one blow because they are in the main blood-supplying arteries.

Many researchers suspect strokes in covid-19 patients may be a direct consequence of blood problems that are producing clots all over some people’s bodies.

Clots that form on vessel walls fly upward. One that started in the calves might migrate to the lungs, causing a blockage called a pulmonary embolism that arrests breathing — a known cause of death in covid-19 patients. Clots in or near the heart might lead to a heart attack, another common cause of death. Anything above that would probably go to the brain, leading to a stroke.

Robert Stevens, a critical care doctor at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, called strokes “one of the most dramatic manifestations” of the blood-clotting issues. “We’ve also taken care of patients in their 30s with stroke and covid, and this was extremely surprising,” he said.

Many doctors expressed worry that as the New York City Fire Department was picking up four times as many people who died at home as normal during the peak of infection that some of the dead had suffered sudden strokes. The truth may never be known because few autopsies were conducted.

Chou said one question is whether the clotting is because of a direct attack on the blood vessels, or a “friendly-fire problem” caused by the patient’s immune response.

“In your body’s attempt to fight off the virus, does the immune response end up hurting your brain?” she asked. Chou is hoping to answer such questions through a review of strokes and other neurological complications in thousands of covid-19 patients treated at 68 medical centers in 17 countries.

Thomas Jefferson University Hospitals, which operates 14 medical centers in Philadelphia, and NYU Langone Health in New York City, found that 12 of their patients treated for large blood blockages in their brains during a three-week period had the virus. Forty percent were under 50, and they had few or no risk factors. Their paper is under review by a medical journal, said Pascal Jabbour, a neurosurgeon at Thomas Jefferson.

Jabbour and his co-author Eytan Raz, an assistant professor of neuroradiology at NYU Langone, said that strokes in covid-19 patients challenge conventional thinking. “We are used to thinking of 60 as a young patient when it comes to large vessel occlusions,” Raz said of the deadliest strokes. “We have never seen so many in their 50s, 40s and late 30s.”

Raz wondered whether they are seeing more young patients because they are more resistant than the elderly to the respiratory distress caused by covid-19: “So they survive the lung side, and in time develop other issues.”

Jabbour said many cases he has treated have unusual characteristics. Brain clots usually appear in the arteries, which carry blood away from the heart. But in covid-19 patients, he is also seeing them in the veins, which carry blood in the opposite direction and are trickier to treat. Some patients are also developing more than one large clot in their heads, which is highly unusual.

“We’ll be treating a blood vessel and it will go fine, but then the patient will have a major stroke” because of a clot in another part of the brain, he said.

At Mount Sinai, the largest medical system in New York City, physician-researcher J Mocco said the number of patients coming in with large blood blockages in their brains doubled during the three weeks of the covid-19 surge to more than 32, even as the number of other emergencies fell. More than half of were covid-19 positive.

It isn’t just the number of patients that was unusual. The first wave of the pandemic has hit the elderly and those with heart disease, diabetes, obesity or other preexisting conditions disproportionately. The covid-19 patients treated for stroke at Mount Sinai were younger and mostly without risk factors.

On average, the covid-19 stroke patients were 15 years younger than stroke patients without the virus.

“These are people among the least likely statistically to have a stroke,” Mocco said.

Mocco, who has spent his career studying strokes and how to treat them, said he was “completely shocked” by the analysis. He noted the link between covid-19 and stroke “is one of the clearest and most profound correlations I’ve come across.”

“This is much too powerful of a signal to be chance or happenstance,” he said.

In a letter to be published in the New England Journal of Medicine next week, the Mount Sinai team details five case studies of young patients who had strokes at home from March 23 to April 7. They make for difficult reading: The victims’ ages are 33, 37, 39, 44 and 49, and they were all home when they began to experience sudden symptoms, including slurred speech, confusion, drooping on one side of the face and a dead feeling in one arm.

One died, two are still hospitalized, one was released to rehabilitation, and one was released home to the care of his brother. Only one of the five, a 33-year-old woman, is able to speak.

Oxley, the interventional neurologist, said one striking aspect of the cases is how long many waited before seeking emergency care.

The 33-year-old woman was previously healthy but had a cough and headache for about a week. Over the course of 28 hours, she noticed her speech was slurred and that she was going numb and weak on her left side but, the researchers wrote, “delayed seeking emergency care due to fear of the covid-19 outbreak.”

It turned out she was already infected.

By the time she arrived at the hospital, a CT scan showed she had two clots in her brain and patchy “ground glass” in her lungs — the opacity in CT scans that is a hallmark of covid-19 infection. She was given two different types of therapy to try to break up the clots and by Day 10, she was well enough to be discharged.

Oxley said the most important thing for people to understand is that large strokes are very treatable. Doctors are often able to reopen blocked blood vessels through techniques such as pulling out clots or inserting stents. But it has to be done quickly, ideally within six hours, but no longer than 24 hours: “The message we are trying to get out is if you have symptoms of stroke, you need to call the ambulance urgently. ”

As for the 44-year-old man Oxley was treating, doctors were able to remove the large clot that day in late March, but the patient is still struggling. As of this week, a little over a month after he arrived in the emergency room, he is still hospitalized.

CA2020
CA2020

A man goes in to see his doctor.
Doctor asks so what is wrong.
Well Doc you see I am having all these recent issues, I'm going colorblind, I'm shitting blood, and I have this sun burn on my asshole.
The Doctor say so what have you been doing different.
Well Doc I took 2 Hydroxychloroquine with a chlorine bleach chaser and shoved a UV light up my ass.

Doctor says well your Covid-19 test came back positive too

RonJ
RonJ

"Yesterday, Trump proposed testing disinfectants internally."

That is not what i heard Trump say. Trump used the words "something like that", he did not propose injecting actual disinfectants.

Furthermore:

A few moments later, ABC News reporter Jon Karl asked Bryan, “The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl
alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?”

“No, I’m here to talk about the finds that we had in the study,” Bryan responded. “We don’t do that within that lab at our labs.”

Trump then clarified his remarks: “It wouldn’t be through injections, you’re talking about almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area.
Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object.”

RonJ
RonJ

The UV light thing.

" [Aytu BioScience, Inc. (the “Company”)], a specialty pharmaceutical company focused on commercializing novel products that address
significant patient needs announced today that it has signed an exclusive worldwide license from Cedars-Sinai to develop and commercialize
the Healight Platform Technology (“Healight”).

The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal
medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology’s significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus."

bradw2k
bradw2k

You guys are all freaking out over nothing. Trump was simply reading for a (his) part in the upcoming movie "American Idiocracy Pie" -- filming to commence at Mar-A-Lago the day after Biden sworn in.

Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat

If tRump followers want to disinfect themselves, they should have such freedom to do so!

lasttwo
lasttwo

no worriesTrump says – inject – light- heat and disinfectant. FDA and Lysol says – NO NO NO do not try this at home. Why dont we just Nuke em like the hurricanes?
Maybe this will happen

lasttwo
lasttwo

It is time for a 3rd party -- Tulsi Gabbard where are you?

lasttwo
lasttwo

I know the main stream media and hillary destroyed her chances but Gabbard would still be my choice anti war anti intervention and medicare for all.

CA2020
CA2020

tRump is obviously taking HCQ in large doses

feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
severe mood or mental changes
unusual behavior
unusual facial expressions

Stuki
Stuki

As crazy as Trump is, when you are dealing with a foe which does it's damage in a very small and specific part of a total organism, topical treatments should be attempted. Heck, even given priority.

While Sars-Cov2 may be found in cells all over the body, the damage it does is overwhelmingly to a very thin layer of cells in the windpipe and/or lungs. That is not irrelevant information. Yet most pharmaceutical development, dependent as it is on global distribution via blood, effectively treats it as such and disregards it.

Tactically; traditional, systemic drug delivery is akin to ending the Texas Water Tower Shooting by machine gunning the entire country. Only with extremely sophisticated bullets, designed to swerve around all those who are not currently active shooters, while highly specifically not swerving around Charles Whitman. Which, while no doubt a spectacularly awesome means of solving an active shooter problem, is also awfully, and in practice indeed needlessly, hard: The fact that noone has so far been able to build such bullets and delivery systems, doesn't mean solving the problem with a simpler bullet, more narrowly targeted at Whitman by a sniper or cop, shouldn't be pursued.

Closer to the problem at hand: Neosporin does in fact successfully work at killing some topical surface pathogens, hence curing the ailment they cause. Despite Neosporin, like Lysol, probably being rather unsuitable for global injection and distribution via blood.

Generally, Trump aside, problem solving can indeed benefit greatly from limiting the scope of what you are trying to solve.

Wrt respiratory viruses doing damage by causing pneumonia, we do have the advantage that they are essentially a surface foe.

Also, the immune system will kill them. So the problem is really not killing them in general, but rather simply to reduce their numbers sufficiently to allow the immune system catch up.

Combine that with them being concentrated in a rather easily accessible spot, the windpipe; which by necessity means it is accessible from the air containing outside; and the virus is presenting us with an angle far too obvious and potentially yielding for Benny Blanco from The Bronx not to take note.

In practice, the fact that swabs work at collecting viral samples, means virus is accessible to UV light, as well as to topical virucides. Not that every virus particle in the body is, but at a minimum some.

Hence, a suitable UV lamp inserted into the windpipe, will be able to reduce the amount of virus someone is carrying to at least some degree. Which cannot help but being a good thing, when the exact problem faced, can more specifically be stated as: Too many Sars-Cov2 virus particles in a specific, narrow, necessarily airflow, hence light, accessible, volume of the organism, for the immune system to effectively kill them all off before they get around to killing the patient himself off.

Of course, UV also damages host cells, but the fact that virus rna is unprotected, makes it much more susceptible to damage. So there is a built in bias to UV being more effective at killing viruses than cellular organisms.

Wrt virucides, this is not necessarily a settled issue; but it is certainly not impossible, indeed likely, that some compound either already exists, or if not can be found, which kills viruses sufficiently more effectively than cells, to be worth pursuing in topical application.

Regardless, both approaches should be pursued, as they are both much, much conceptually simpler, hence quicker and cheaper, than the downright ardous work of finding a cure general enough to allow one to disregard the fact that the “problem” the virus causes, only manifests itself by there being a few too many of them in a narrow strip along a half mile stretch of the Canadian border.

Considering the sheer variety of wevelengths, intensities, exact locations in the windpipe/lungs and durations of potential UV application, as well as the variety of possibly inhalable virucides: To simply dismiss all such approaches, perhaps on account of not wanting any association at all with Trump, is needlessly shooting oneself in the ankle and hobbling around crippled.

Since we are dealing with inherent uncertainty, whether any of this actually turns out to work, isn’t even all that important. As David Sklansky points out, albeit in a different context: Whether or not you ultimately win or lose a hand you choose to play, is rather irrelevant for determining whether playing it was correct or not. What is important for decision making in the face of uncertainty, is that your decision to play the hand, had at least as high a variance-tolerance adjusted expectation, as folding it would have. And I’d be hard pressed to see how the entire possible class of comparatively cheap and simple topical approaches to solving what overwhelmingly looks to be an inherently topical problem, can thus be dismissed out of hand and left entirely untried.

None of this should be taken as advice to go out and neither inhale Lysol nor to choke on tanning booth tubes. But for guys who are already “dead” from Covid, just their hearts haven’t quite figured it out yet and fully stopped beating: The fact that Trump mentioned it, is not in and of itself reason for health care practitioners in a position to do so, to not consider trying some of it in more controlled forms and environments. Heck, the Federal Government may even provide emergency funding for such studies….

After all, how bad can things be, when you have an all star medical team consisting of such luminaries as Donald Trump, Charles Whitman, David Sklansky and Benny Blanco from The Bronx…..

MaxAlpha
MaxAlpha

Disclosure - I am an independent and NOT a Trump supporter I saw the press conference and Trump did not say that - it was pretty clear when you heard him talk what he meant and it was in context of the studies being described by the scientist from Homeland Security. It is a shame that the Country has come to twisting every statement. Mish, I thought YOU were about that. #keepithonest

TonGut
TonGut

“No dear, I ingest alcohol for its disinfectant properties, I can’t help that it makes me drunk.”

humna909
humna909

"True Believers Believe, That's What They Do

Even if they play the above videos, Trump's true believers, will believe Trump.">MISH

I think the number of comments here excusing Trump prove this.

The video is as plain as day. Fine support Trump. But don't contort your thoughts and your interpretation of something quite unambiguous just to avoid admitting to yourself that Trump made an ignorant comment here.

The entire world is laughing with both humor and horror the way the US is handling this crisis. This crisis is exposing many problems within the US, most of all its leadership. (or lack thereof)

Realist
Realist

Trump’s buddy, Rudy Giuliani, made a great comment as well. He wondered why you need to “trace” someone with Covid19 to find out who they were in contact with. ”After all we don’t trace for cancer, heart disease, or obesity.”

You just can't make this stuff up.

Blurtman
Blurtman

Hey, that mustard gas sure is toxic. Let's inject it into people. Libtards groan.

Hey, those castor beans sure are toxic. Let's inject it into people. Libtards groan.

Overall
Overall

Just to let Mish and all of the Tump bashers know, Trump will be re-elected again this year. There is nothing you can do about it. or Maybe just stick to finance and economics , you USED to have a nice forum. Mish has a bad case of TDS

Overall
Overall

Most here infected with TDS, Tump will be elected in 2020, you will have TDS then for another 4 years! You poor little boys.

Kimo
Kimo

Ever sat with a group and brainstormed? Silly ideas are not discouraged, just weeded out at another session. The only thing I would fault Trump about, is labeling it sarcasm. Ask me if I care. Now it looks as though the Q&A sessions are over. Thanks to those that want to find a tidbit in what must be 100 hours of new conferences. Nice. I remember other Presidents going months, if not years, without a Q&A. Be careful what you wish for....

Gbucks1
Gbucks1

Hey Mish, it's not that people are true believers. It's that they're capable of thinking for themselves. They don't need the the government (in this case Trump) telling them how to think......Should the FDA ban table salt right away? It has chlorine in it. We all know chlorine is a disinfectant. I wonder how much chlorine is in Hydroxychlouroquine.

Ebethmore
Ebethmore

He didnt say inject disinfectant. He said some type of disinfecting injection. Meaning something made especially for the body. The writer of this article amd the ones that say negative shit are a bunch of dummies. Go listen to your socialist democratic bs some more.

stillCJ
stillCJ

Editor

Which is worse, American's ignorance or apathy?
Answer: I don't know, and I don't care.