The Vaccine Rollout is Much Slower Than Expected

Mish

The US goal was 20 million but only 2.8 million shots have been administered.

Three Weeks of Vaccination Failure

With new strains rapidly spreading, Covid-19 Vaccine’s Slow Rollout Could Portend More Problems.

The federal government came nowhere close to vaccinating 20 million people by the end of 2020, as it had promised.

Of the more than 12 million doses of vaccines from Moderna Inc. and Pfizer Inc. with BioNTech SE that have been shipped, only 2.8 million have been administered, according to federal figures.

On Friday, Sen. Mitt Romney (R., Utah) criticized the vaccine rollout, saying in a statement that the lack of a comprehensive federal plan to be shared with states “is as incomprehensible as it is inexcusable.”

Forty-two people in West Virginia were mistakenly given Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc.’s antibody treatment designed to fight Covid-19 in those already infected instead of Moderna’s vaccine. None are at risk of being harmed, according to the West Virginia National Guard.

Mandatory Vaccines?

Can I ask, at what pace?

Mish

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davebarnes2
davebarnes2

"The Vaccine Rollout is Much Slower" because Fat Donnie from Queens has zero empathy and could care less how may people die on his watch.
Or, because Donnie Fatso has zero interest in governing.
Or, because, a disheveled, deflated, dispirited, dyspeptic, morbidly obese, narcissistic sociopath just wants to screw all the people who did not vote for him.

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

I’m good with number 7,500,000,000 in line for mine.

When the Romans had a civil engineer/ contractor build a bridge, that person had to stand under it while the first legion marched across. Big Phams, Politicians, Healthcare Hero Doctors, Big Media - no liability, infinite moral hazard,

shamrock
shamrock

So glad there was a plan in place and ready to go: blame everyone else.

Carl_R
Carl_R

I think that the basic problem was unrealistic assumptions. The first thing that has to happen is to fill the pipeline, and that takes awhile. A month delay from production to when a dose is administered is probably good. I'll take it when it becomes available, but I've never expected that to be before March.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

My wife was able to get vaccinated today. I hope to get the rest of the staff vaccinated this next week.

Kimo
Kimo

I'm considering the availability of the placebo, given it offers decent survivability, is well tested, and is available now. Coupled with Plan B, with is also available immediately and well tested, I may just step aside and let the panic stricken move ahead in line for the vaccine.
The details of Plan B, when "righteous indignation meets intelligence", the sparks will fly.

njbr
njbr

Still there are those that come out with the oft' revealed secret treatments for covid, because, yeah, every health authority in the world is hiding the "facts".

My guess is that in the next few weeks, we'll see the bonfire really catch on here.

The new variant raises the reproduction factor by 0.4 to 0.7 which if you go to https://rt.live/ you'd see that increase puts all states in a much worse condition. And, by the way, new data from England says children are getting sick at a higher rate with this variant.

goldguy
goldguy

I think part of the reason is that a lot of people don't want it. I know I will not take it, maybe in a few years once everyone else is the guinea pig. The problem I see is that not enough testing was done, hurry, hurry, is a fools errand. If your skeered, find an alternative like Ivermectin, read the studies online and educate yourself on well it works and how safe it is.

Realist
Realist

I think the vaccine rollout is going fairly well in the US. The problem is Trump’s boasting and unrealistic promises, which is something he always does. Just like the perfect tests that everyone would get back in April (though he didn’t say what year).

Realist
Realist

60 year old Republican Senator from Virginia, Ben Chafin Jr, died January 1, of Covid complications. I don't know if anyone is keeping track of all the politicians who have died from the virus. I

Realist
Realist

I have not.

Jackula
Jackula

Take note that the countries with "socialized" medicine are blowing away the US with their speed and efficiency of the vaccine rollouts. May be to early to tell but looks like the US is on the 10 year plan right now.

Sechel
Sechel

This had to of come up during planning meets and was probably shot down by Trump as too hard just like he shot down getting the Federal government involved in testing and contact tracing. Yet another forced error because Trump was afraid of failure. So Trump didn't try and failed anyway . This will fall to Biden who will now be even further behind the clock than he should have been

Sechel
Sechel

Was Trump on TV taking the shot and using his own political capital telling people to take it?

Webej
Webej

Simple question: Why is there absolutely no attention for who does and who does not need the vaccine (it apparently does not impede transmission, according to the WHO, Fauci, and others).
Obviously people who have been inoculated already don't need a vaccine, nor people who are insusceptible.

numike
numike

There is a national Kaiser survey that indicates that a significant minority of healthcare workers are vaccine hesitant: and that the public tends to trust their healthcare provider as a source of information:


"More than eight in ten (85%) say they trust their own doctor or health care provider to provide reliable information on a COVID-19 vaccine,
...
The “wait and see” group is the largest, comprising 39% of the public, and generally want to see how vaccinations work for other people before getting it themselves. This group looks like the public at large, and their willingness to get vaccinated may depend on what they learn during its initial rollout, including news reports about its effectiveness, safety and side effects."

I have to wonder if "social desirability bias" may lead more to claim they will take the vaccine than actually will, and I suspect that anyone who see their doctor being hesitant is likely to spread that hesitation onto their friends.

The LA Times confirms they are seeing vaccine hesitation:


"A recent survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 29% of healthcare workers were “vaccine hesitant,” a figure slightly higher than the percentage of the general population, 27%. ...
At St. Elizabeth Community Hospital in Tehama County, fewer than half of the 700 hospital workers eligible for the vaccine were willing to take the shot when it was first offered. At Providence Holy Cross Medical Center in Mission Hills, one in five frontline nurses and doctors have declined the shot. Roughly 20% to 40% of L.A. County’s frontline workers who were offered the vaccine did the same, according to county public health officials.

So many frontline workers in Riverside County have refused the vaccine — an estimated 50% — that hospital and public officials met to strategize how best to distribute the unused doses, Public Health Director Kim Saruwatari said.

The vaccine doubts swirling among healthcare workers across the country come as a surprise to researchers, who assumed hospital staff would be among those most in tune with the scientific data backing the vaccines."

Except it may be the case that its precisely because those healthcare workers are aware that the vaccine trials are ongoing and not really finished despite the emergency use authorization. Its also the case that many people tend to get skeptical of a product which seems to be being built up to seem "too good to be true" in terms of the results rather than sensing they are being given a realistic picture of the risks and benefits.

I tend to suspect that if the public were fully informed of the reality that this is an ongoing experiment that they may be more inclined to trust that they are being told the whole truth. I suspect there may be a major backlash against trusting the vaccines in a few months when the public discovers the FDA's incredibly incompetent choice to not tell people about the risk of vaccine enhanced disease, despite the FDA's own EUA acknowledging it as an "important risk" that is "unknown" for after immunity wanes since the trials haven't gone on long enough. Its odd that even aside from the FDA, unfortunately it seems many in the media don't wish to scare the public by admitting the risk (or they are too scientifically illiterate to grasp the risk), but it seems likely to backfire. People will later wonder: "you didn't tell us about this risk, what else are you hiding from us, why should we trust the vaccines are safe?" even after the trials have gone on long enough to truly establish safety.

Those engaged in wishful thinking that the vaccines are magically guaranteed to be safe despite the tests not being finished might do well to consider stepping back and considering that perhaps being more realistic about the experimental testing process might actually in the long run convince more people to trust vaccines.

ToInfinityandBeyond
ToInfinityandBeyond

More like worm speed than warp speed.

Kimo
Kimo

hhhmmm, why would a covid survivor get vaccinated?

Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear

There is a possibility that the vaccine demand may not keep up with supply. Some may get only the first of the two shots, and then the vaccine supply runs out before the second shot is administered at the correct time. Does the person have to start the vaccine sequence all over, and end up with THREE shots? Such a scenario places an even greater demand on vaccine production and delivery schedules, which will lead to mistakes.

Sechel
Sechel

China has gotten ahead of the virus and its economy is well ahead of ours in terms of recovery. You can't recover on the economy while the virus is raging, something Trump never understood

Greenmountain
Greenmountain

At Thursday press conference, VT governor reported that Vermont is not getting the promised number of doses. I don't remember the numbers but the actual doses coming in vary significantly from what was promised. This could cause a major problem insuring all get the second shot. Lots of confusing information out there and only gives people reason not to trust government, science and pharma companies.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels

Things are not going smoothly in the EU either... This is probably the biggest internationally organised operation since D day! What did you actually expect ? Miracles? Personally I don t want no shot , never had a flu shot either, so please have mine ! ... I am just too good for this fckn world, am I not ?

goldguy
goldguy

No, its not that, you probably have a high IQ

Gimmiedajuice
Gimmiedajuice

I can’t get a PS5 either!

Esclaro
Esclaro

I am getting vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine in a week. I feel like I have won the lottery!

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

I got round one, but I will be taking Ivermectin per the Marik preventive prophylaxis protocol for the time being...at least until the booster which I get on the 26th. Maybe a bit longer, as long as the cases keep rising.

For those who blithely say no to the vaccine, please understand that in the very short run, in many parts of the US, the risk of getting COVID is probably higher now than at any time since the pandemic began...and that the potential benefits of the vaccine far outweigh any potential side effects.

I am particularly concerned for outpatient healthcare personnel. As the case levels have risen, my view is that the protocols we developed to protect ourselves and our patients last spring will possibly start to be insufficient to keep doctors offices safe.

njbr
njbr

Meanwhile in the UK...

A SAGE adviser today hinted a third national lockdown including mass school closures may be required to suppress Covid as he insisted 'keeping people apart' stops the virus from spreading.

Professor Sir Mark Walport claimed the 'mutant' strain of coronavirus was transmitting rapidly among children, with those aged between 12 and 16 seven times more likely to 'infect' a household.

Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show as Liverpool's leaders called for a blanket shutdown, he said it would be 'very, very difficult' to keep the disease under control 'without tighter social distancing measures'.

Sir Mark also suggested the UK has struggled to keep cases down because it is a 'western liberal democracy', hinting that draconian countermeasures adopted in unfree countries like Vietnam had suppressed the virus.

Asked if Tier 4 restrictions were enough, the former Chief Scientific Adviser today said: 'It's the Tier 4 restrictions, it's obeying them.

'It is thinking about breaking essentially every possible route of transmission we possibly can. Those are the things that are absolutely necessary and it is pretty clear we're going to need more.'

Talking about 'mutant' Covid, he said: 'We now have a much more transmissible variant and I'm afraid this is the natural evolution of viruses.

'The ones that can transmit most effectively have an advantage over other variants and so it is clear this variant is transmitting more readily. It's transmitting more readily in younger age groups as well.

'It's good to note it doesn't appear to cause worse disease or that it is going to be more resistant to the effects of the vaccine, but it is going to be very, very difficult to keep it under control without tighter social distancing measures.'

Sir Mark continued: 'The thing that actually stops the virus, and we know that it can do, is keeping people apart. The virus can only get from one person to another through proximity, and so it really is about doing everything we possibly can to keep ourselves as safe as possible.'

It comes as Boris Johnson today refused to rule out a total shutdown, telling Marr he is 'reconciled' to imposing further restrictions on public life as the number of coronavirus cases rises.

SAKMAN
SAKMAN

Friends. . . ask yourselves why the dominant flu virus burns out in the spring? Could it be that it lacks kindling?

At the moment, we are "vaccinating" ourselves at a very high rate, my educated guess is that in So Cal, we are currently infecting 6-8% of the population. . . PER WEEK!, process that. Then consider all of the people that have had it leading into the current waves. The manuscripts Ive read suggest minimum of 3 months of immunity, with some suggesting more than 8 months.

April seroprevalence data from LA was around 5%, before thanksgiving it was closer to 20%, each week after thanksgiving add 3-8%. You see very quickly that the population is being "vaccinated" very effectively without any intervention on the national level. At an average of 5% you are at herd immunity levels in 12 weeks. End of February.

Tezza
Tezza

A lot of Trump Derangement Syndrome on this thread. 20 million will have shipped by the end of December, 30 million vaccines by the end of January and 50 million by end of February. Shipped vaccines do not equal shots in the arm, so expect a delay of shots in the arm and the accounting of such. Leave it to Biden to negatively politicize a successful effort. Trump deserves a lot of credit.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

This week the Christmas spike in Texas is there for all to see, I am using my influence to try to make sure my people get vaccinated. One thing is obvious.....the less educated the employee is, the more scared they are about getting vaccinated.

I have people risking their lives every day to take care of patients, who still have a hard time grasping that getting vaccinated is the best chance they have to stay well and protect their own families......and the general public we serve.

I’m not going to force my people to be vaccinated as a condition of work.....but they know where I stand on the issue, and most of them are complying. It’s still not a slam dunk to get them the shot.

I still think a second shutdown might become necessary. We are at our highest hospitalization rates since the pandemic began. I think most people are just numb now.....not even really paying attention to the numbers.....but I don’t see many people in public with no mask these days.

leftists_aredead
leftists_aredead

Give the Vax to rabid leftists, put them out of our misery


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