Swift Impeachment Trial and Acquittal Coming Up

Mish

The Trump impeachment trial starts Tuesday. It rates to be a swift one.

The Hill reports McConnell Proposes Compressed Schedule for Impeachment Trial.

House impeachment managers will have 24 hours over two days to make their opening arguments when they begin to present their case against President Trump to the Senate Wednesday, according to a resolution circulated by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

President Trump’s team similarly will have two days to present their arguments and then senators will have a chance to ask questions and consider subpoenas of witnesses.

The resolution, as expected, does not require additional witnesses to be subpoenaed and does not allow House prosecutors to admit evidence into the Senate trial record until after the opening arguments are heard.

“McConnell’s resolution stipulates that key facts be delivered in the wee hours of the night simply because he doesn’t want tThe resolution includes language favored by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and other GOP moderates requiring a debate and vote on subpoenaing new witnesses and documents.

Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), who worked with McConnell and Collins to modify the resolution, said it “guarantees a vote on whether we need additional evidence at the appropriate time.”he American people to hear them,” Schumer said.

Done Deal

With Collins on board, this is a done deal.

Protests and howls will ensue.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer

March for Truth?

Does either side want the "Truth"?

Hells bells, no one wants the "truth". Both sides only want "their truth".

Regardless of what you you think the "truth" might be, Trump is going to be acquitted.

Personal Opinion

My personal opinion, which does not matter one iota, is that Impeachment was at best a stretch to begin with.

I have commented before that I do not believe Trump committed crimes worthy of being removed from office.

There's a fine line between questionable political moves and removal from office. And some might debate the word "questionable".

Regardless, it was 99% clear from the beginning that Trump would never be removed from office.

Democrat Perspective

The irony in this charade game is that it is not even clear if removing Trump from office would help the Democrats.

Consider the fact that If Trump were removed from office, Republicans would put up a different candidate, most likely not not necessarily, vice president Mike Pence.

Instead of having a lightning rod, namely Trump, to campaign against, it would be someone else.

Curiously, a quick acquittal accompanied with protests is actually in the Democrat's best interests.

The Democrats will howl for months about how "unjust" this all is.

Some independants will believe it. At this point, that is all that matters.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (53)
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Greggg
Greggg

They did this just like they do in the Mid East... The objective of the wars is to create wars for war's sake.

minvest
minvest

I agree, best thing for democrats is to not get the chance to call witnesses and a quick acquittal. The witness info will probably come out before the election anyways, and everyone already knows what went on.

BaronAsh
BaronAsh

This is not about removing Trump. This whole thing is a huge, emotion-laden Talking Point for the coming election.

On one front they can try to flip the Senate by going after them for enabling an obviously criminal President who has been impeached. Thus they have violated their oath of office and honor and should be removed by the voters so we can get an honest Senate to work in the peoples' interest. They just need to flip four. Doable.

On another front they can try to mobilise their base to vote an impeached President out who is only in because of corrupt partisan Senators shielding him. Probably won't work, but might motivate base to vote for their House and Senate candidates (i.e. different angle on previous front)

That's why they rushed through a weak case. They WANT to lose it, because then they can paint the R's as total monsters for obstructing justice, not allowing witnesses, protecting a Liar and Crook and all the rest of it - with each wave of talking points getting 24/7 MSM coverage. All of which has nothing to do with winning or losing the impeachment, and everything to do with the upcoming election.

I disagree with your not unreasonable contention that it's a 50-50 situation. Why? Because they have a truly lousy set of candidates. And why's that? Because they have operated in a lousy fashion the past three years choosing invective over adult governance and pursuing a very spiteful, petty 'resistance' agenda. It has tainted them all, really, and they are going to have to suffer the consequences which will mainly boil down to lack of enthusiasm. Their approach has been way too negative for way too long. People don't get inspired by it - at least not normal people.

Electorally: a) those who are loyal Democrats won't switch, but quite a few won't show up to vote, aka a motivation deficit. b) quite a few independents who find Trump isn't as bad as all the screaming and whining indicates and some of whom also feel he has been treated unfairly (definitely true by any sort of traditional yardsticks) are actually going to pull the lever for T this time and c) he has made huge popularity inroads with the black and Latino communities, in part because of extensive inner city programs with black leaders, and in part because of the criminal justice reforms which are super-popular. Remains to be seen if that translates into votes, but most likely he'll be getting well over 15% if not 30%. These communities are very attuned to when people are getting shafted and which people understand and fight for them and which don't. Trump is doing very well in this arena, though the MSM aren't covering it.

So either they do indeed turf him out somehow, or he's going to win big. That's why I doubt it will be close.

In any case, it's a mistake to look at this trial as anything other than a huge, elaborate Election Talking Point operation. So don't think Court of Law trial, think campaign Political Theater.

JackWayne
JackWayne

Why do you think the Republicans will run someone other than Trump in November if impeached? There’s nothing in the Constitution that bars an impeached person from running for office. See Alcee Hastings.

wootendw
wootendw

"Does either side want the "Truth"?"

The Truth would include what really happened in Ukraine in 2014. Obviously bad for Obama, Hillary, Victoria Nuland and some other Dems. But there should be little doubt that what happened was a bi-partisan effort and bad for some Republicans too, especially RINOs.

And it would be bad for the State Dept and CIA, as well.

mkestrel
mkestrel

I prefer a long drawn out trial where we explore Clinton's, the Biden's, and Pelosi horse in the game. But we know that will not happen because the red and the blue team are one and the same.

Latkes
Latkes

Democrats are playing 4D chess.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

I predict it gets dragged out until March. More evidence coming.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Btw Mish, impeachment has already happen. This is about removal now. Trump was impeached in December.

KidHorn
KidHorn

I have no idea what will happen. There are enough republicans who don't like Trump that if they could vote anonymously, they would vote him out. Not because of anything he's done. Because he cut to the front of the line. The most obvious is Romney who clearly can't handle the fact he lost and Trump won. The problem is they would likely not be re-elected if they voted against Trump. But, if say 30 republicans voted against Trump, they would have cover and their constituency wouldn't be up in arms against them.

Zardoz
Zardoz

There will be no acquittal, the corrupt senate can only vote to not remove. trump has taken his place in history with the other criminals, and no number of trumplings stamping their little feet and crying out to daddy Putin can change that.

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett

Bottom Line -

Will only make DJT stronger.

AWC
AWC

All in tangibles now. Out of most all things financial (save minimal account balances for cash flow purposes.)

Let ‘em bring it all down. If I don’t like the end result, I’ll join Fred Reed down in Ajijic, and sit around all day sampling assorted brewskies,,,,,,for quality control evaluation purposes, mind you. ;-)

ottertail
ottertail

The sheeple are engaged. Mission accomplished. Politics. Yawn.

astroboy
astroboy

My guess (FWIW):

Trump's defense will go:

  1. Corrupt oil company tried to buy influence/access by putting son of ex-VP and presidential candidate on payroll.
  2. This equates to meddling in election, at least huge potential compromise of Biden.
  3. Under such circumstances, it was only responsible of Trump to ask Ukraine president to look into things. As a 'favor' or a 'shakedown', probably doesn't really matter. 4)Firing ambassador, etc., they were OK with the oil company buying Biden. They had to go for the good of America.
  4. Abuse of power? Trump would have been guilty of not doing his job if he hadn't done this.

At this point, it blows up for Pelosi and Schumer. At least if the media hasn't suppressed it.

Just my conjecture, although if the Repubs thought in this way you'd think it would have leaked by now.

Obstruction of Congress: whatever that is. As I understand it, all the obstruction was doing with the appropriate legal baggage attached. For Congress to override this equates to a violation of the Judiciary branch in an impeachment process. Not spelled out in the Constitution, but since all three branches of government are "equal" this equates to "obstruction" of the Judiciary, who can knock it down as they please.

Webej
Webej

Imagine Trump quits. Would there be charges or prosecution in a regular court?

If not, then there are no high crimes or misdemeanours involved.

Seems a simple test.

If fhe charges relate exclusively to the execution of the office, and are thus not crimes in the sense that the constitution means, then it's abuse of the process.

RonJ
RonJ

Schumer: On something as important as impeachment—Sen. McConnell’s resolution is nothing short of a national disgrace."

The impeachment itself is a national disgrace, The transcript of the Zelensky phone call showed Trump did nothing wrong. The democrats never had a case.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab

Reduced to my wine-dulled logic, it goes like this:

  1. Democrats in the House find sufficient evidence to find Trump 'guilty' and impeach him.
  2. Somehow that 'sufficient' evidence is not enough for the Senate to similarly find him guilty and complete the process.
  3. The Democrats want a 'Do Over' until they get it right.
CzarChasm-Reigns
CzarChasm-Reigns

Bring on the truth. Let's see if we can even recognize it anymore. After 3 years of Trump, I have my doubts.

Capn_Renault
Capn_Renault

This week the USA "celebrated" civil rights activist Martin Luther King's b-day (celebrating = taking a day off from work).

King's murder remains "unsolved" -- somebody named "they" did it. What is not in doubt, because the paperwork was eventually released after lots of fighting:

  • The FBI was conducting illegal surveillance operations against King for years
  • The FBI extended their illegal surveillance activity to all manner of persons associated, directly or just kinda sorta, to King
  • The FBI sent King anonymous letters threatening to kill him, and suggesting King commit suicide And the FBI was never held accountable for their crimes against Dr King.

Here we are, decades later, and the FBI once again has admitted to illegal surveillance against someone "they" don't like. And in a lawless society such as ours, the AG of the United States (a Trump appointee) had nothing but excuses for the long list of FBI's long list crimes against Trump and his associates.

We sit around wondering why Canada has almost twice as many guns per capita as the USA, but far fewer killings... One obvious reason is the example the FBI is setting. We tell our children not to murder people, but we make excuses when the FBI does it. Children can smell the hypocrisy miles away.

Imagine if the taxpayer money used to frame Trump, and the Meuller farce, and the Horowitz farce -- had instead been used to address homelessness in Pelosi's district (or any of dozens of cities in the USA)?

Washington DC is truly corrupt to its core, its a lot worse than a swamp. Hilary and Biden are getting millions in bribes, kickbacks and "foundation donations", so we know why they support corruption. Is Sanders on the take also? Or does Sanders know the bureaucracy will never allow a socialist to bankrupt their party?

Washington DC is going to lose public support. The FBI's reputation as a "law enforcement" (try not to laugh!!) agency is already in tatters. The ridiculous charges against Trump were always nonsense, and were discredited by Mueller and Horowitz long ago -- not to mention Obama didn't act because there was nothing there in the first place.

Trump isn't the one on trial, and as soon as the Senate realizes this, they will quickly and quietly shut this farce down. The bureaucracy does not want their dirty laundry aired