Minneapolis to Abolish the Police: How Will That Work?

Mish

This weekend, the Minneapolis city council voted to disband the police department.

Questions Abound

  1. How will that work?
  2. Whom do you call?
  3. When does this happen?

Abolish the Police

When I first heard the disbanding news, I thought it was an errant proposal by a city council minority, but it's not.

There is a Veto-Proof Majority in favor of doing this.

A veto-proof majority of Minneapolis City Council members announced during a rally at Powderhorn Sunday that they are planning to disband the police department.

City Council members said they will invest in community-led safety initiatives instead of the police department. 

"Our commitment is to end our city’s toxic relationship with the Minneapolis Police Department, to end policing as we know it, and to re-create systems of public safety that actually keep us safe," Minneapolis City Council President Lisa Bender said at Sunday’s community meeting.

The University of Minnesota, Minneapolis Public Schools, First Avenue, and others also decided to end or limit their relationship with the police department.

Incremental Efforts Failed

Minneapolis City Council President Lisa Bender told The Appeal that disbanding the police department is necessary because “our efforts at incremental reform have failed.”

And When We Are Done, We Won't Glue it Back Together

Jeremiah Ellison's Twitter Profile

Jeremiah Ellison

Jeremiah Ellison is a "City Council Member, Ward 5. Visual Artist. Storyteller. Political organizer. Northsider." 

Majority Pledge

Mayor Booed 

CNN reports Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey was met with a chorus of boos after telling a group of demonstrators he did not support abolishing the city police department.

Voters Support Protests 

Data for Progress reports Voters Have Lost Trust in Police.

  1. A majority of voters believe that recent protests spring from a desire to hold police accountable and that most protesters are peaceful.
  2. 68 percent of voters support creating a new non-police first responder agency to respond to issues of mental illness or addiction.
  3. A majority agree that police killings of black Americans are part of a larger problem and that police use violence when they don’t need to.

Another Question Surfaces

New Non-Police First

How much will point number 2 cost?

Explanations Please 

I would like an explanation as to how these ideas will work and how they will save lives and money.

I could get behind the idea, if someone can provide reasonable answers.

Disband the Unions

Meanwhile, I have a simpler proposal: Instead of disbanding the police, disband the police unions, the teachers' unions, and all public unions.

In addition, end collective bargaining of public unions.

Why It's Impossible to Get Rid of Bad Cops

Public unions protect the bad, the corrupt, and the incompetent.  

Incremental efforts failed because the problem is public unions.

For discussion, please see Why It's Impossible to Get Rid of Bad Cops.

Mish

Comments (106)
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jivefive99
jivefive99

I can see now the police union going to the courts and demand that state law, which is all that matters, be followed, and the Mpls PD ends up being exactly as it is now. Stop thinking these screams and yells by kids mean anything -- they dont even vote (Bernie got submarined by their not showing up). It is only 800 officers -- obviously with a white supremacy bent to them -- but you arent gonna not have a police department. State law is all that matters, and its been "cop-ized".

Eighthman
Eighthman

The Portugal plan for drugs might work and save money. Get rid of no knock warrants. The rest looks delusional.

shamrock
shamrock

Maybe they should get to work revoking all victimless and petty laws. You literally cannot drive or walk down the street without the police having some pretense to stop, search, and interrogate.

abend237-04
abend237-04

It's going to happen and here's how: Item one on City Council agenda will be to de-fund and disband the police department.
Item two will be to establish the Community Woke Kneeler's Society. Nothing substantive will have changed except for career criminals all over the world canceling their tickets to Minneapolis in bitter disappointment.
If there's any real progress made, there'll be an item three: Dissolve the police union and appoint a civilian police oversight committee.

lesbaer45
lesbaer45

Smile and wave boys, just smile and wave.

mike7
mike7

Maybe have the County Sheriff department take over... main problem I see is how does your states attorneys office prosecute cases were the arresting office no-longer works for the local police agency or wasn't hired by the sheriff's office. You might need them to testify.

tokidoki
tokidoki

The Police Force WILL BE disbanded. No doubt, only to be replaced by Citizen's Force. Same people, different uniform. A very American solution. Don't address the root of the problem, just dress them up a different way.

njbr
njbr

A study will be made. And 6 months from now with the study done, the idea will fade.

Who would actually make arrests and deliver the miscreant to jail? A simple matter of passing a bad $20--how would that have been handled by private citizens against an individual. Seems to me more random follow-on deaths, crimes and injuries will happen without clear lines of authority.

Sure, petty crime may be able to be handled, what about gang crime, long-term crime, human trafficking--how would those be handled by citizen-police. What tools would they have for the genuinely bad people and bad organizations out there.

Has anyone ever instituted a citizen's arrest?

It's a very short memory given that just a week of so ago, the police were absent from the scene and bad actors dominated the scene of riot and chaos.

njbr
njbr

Biden backs advocates' calls to increase spending on social programs separate from local police budgets, but he also wants more funding for police reforms such as body cameras and training on community policing approaches, campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said in a statement.
"Vice President Biden does not believe that police should be defunded," Bates said. "He hears and shares the deep grief and frustration of those calling out for change, and is driven to ensure that justice is done and that we put a stop to this terrible pain."

BillSanDiego
BillSanDiego
  1. Exactly how would a "New agency of first responders - like firefighters or medical services to deal with addiction or mental illness" differ from the police department?

  2. Who would respond to break-ins, robberies, rapes, murders, assaults, and other crimes against persons and property?

Herkie
Herkie

LOL, we will see how well this works when you get into a car accident in the city, bleed to death? Whatever. Accident reports for insurance companies? No report no payout. Homeowners insurance rates in a city without police first responders? Forget it, no company will underwrite policy there and your bank will slap your mortgage with their own insurance that only covers the remaining balance of your loan and no liability at 4- hundred percent your current rates.

This is one of the single most idiotic moves but it is so typical of the "progressive/white guilt" eco Nazi left. When something like your police force is broken you FIX it. You do not take a wrecking ball to it and start from scratch with utopian ideas that even a cretin knows is not going to work. People will DIE because of this bullshit!

Quark711
Quark711

This'll be fun to watch! Imagine the job announcement:

WANTED - Fools and do-gooders willing to work unarmed and for lousy pay to help people in "crisis" due to mental illness, chronic intoxication or being on unknown drugs. Must be willing to dialog and if necessary, give hugs to unjustly targeted and mis-understood victims of society.

Must be able to react quickly and overcome surprise when said "customers" become unexpectedly agitated and violent. Options include whining ("I'm on your side!"); cowering in fear; asking bystanders to put down their phones and help; and/or begging for mercy. Running away is not an acceptable response.

Required education, experience, knowledge, skills and abilities include:

  1. A degree in any Grievance Studies or Communications major including Journalism.

  2. Experience as demonstrator or activist for any liberal cause.

  3. Thorough knowledge of worthless platitudes the prove you care deeply about social justice.

  4. The ability to act and appear sincere as you spew said platitudes.

  5. Skill in wishful thinking while ignoring the realities of human nature.

  6. The ability to avoid EVER thinking your customers in crisis bear any responsibility whatsoever for their lives or the situation they're in. (Such Thought Crime will result in immediate termination.)

Jack and Joan
Jack and Joan

I predict gun sales will skyrocket. I wish I owned a gun shop.

JohnB99
JohnB99

I may be wrong here, but I believe that according to Minneapolis charter it would take all 12 city council members and the mayor to make this happen.

Brochacho
Brochacho

States rights and laboratories of democracy is all I care about. We need more innovation and testing, not a blanket approach. I don't live there, vote there, so I'm sitting back hoping they figure it out.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple

"I would like an explanation as to how these ideas will work and how they will save lives and money. I could get behind the idea, if someone can provide reasonable answers."

I'm pretty sure Minneapolis and ALL its institutions will lay it all out very soon. I mean, there is overwhelming public and institutional support for this.

It could not possibly be any worse than the status quo.

Quatloo
Quatloo

The problem with just cutting the police budget (as opposed to disbanding the police) is that, like all bureaucrats faced with a budget cut, they will keep all of the paper-pushers, all of the ticket writers, all of the freedom-restrictors, and cut ONLY the cops on the beat who stop crime. Then when crime happens, they will blame the budget cuts and do fear-monger interviews with local news outlets saying it will get much worse unless the police get a massive funding increase. This is standard government agency ‘management’ when faced with a budget cut.

inonothing
inonothing

You can cut police dept budgets in half just by ending the war on drugs. Legalizing drugs would destroy the black market and a lot of its problems: petty theft, terrorism, smuggling, porous borders, etc. Drug laws have made LE excessively intrusive and have created a lot of bad will (asset forfeiture laws, blackmailing users into becoming "snitches," sending most black men into prisons thus depriving their families of income and maintaining the ghetto cycle of poverty, etc.)

As Nobel-prize winning economist Milton Friedman said:

"I see America with half the number of prisons, half the number of prisoners, ten thousand fewer homicides a year, inner cities in which there’s a chance for these poor people to live without being afraid for their lives, citizens who might be respectable who are now addicts not being subject to becoming criminals in order to get their drug, being able to get drugs for which they’re sure of the quality. You know, the same thing happened under prohibition of alcohol as is happening now.

Under prohibition of alcohol, deaths from alcohol poisoning, from poisoning by things that were mixed in with the bootleg alcohol, went up sharply. Similarly, under drug prohibition, deaths from overdose, from adulterations, from adulterated substances have gone up."

silverdog148
silverdog148

Let's cut to the chase here, police are not going anywhere, this is a symbolic move. The police protect the status quo/inequality and are the main glue holding the current system together protecting the elite.

They are going nowhere, the job however will become harder and more dangerous for them as they will be viewed increasingly as an occupying force, not very far from them having to patrol in armored vehicles, etc. They will be cannon fodder along with the regular people revolting, while the elite are safely tucked away and watch from afar.

gregggg
gregggg

How will that work? Just like the shut downs and the protests. It will cause the further erosion of small business. Seems to be the political trend for quite a while... shut down competition against corporations so that we are totally dependent on them.

amigator
amigator

Let them go for it.... I give it about 6 months maybe less and no one will go downtown..Probably lot longer because it will be a slow phase out or they will not really give up policing just shifting responsibility to County Sheriff. They will have to pay for that but hey minimizes direct pension responsibility you get two birds with one stone! They can blame the Sheriff on the next death.

bradw2k
bradw2k

I have realized the obvious: most of the protestors are under 30, and thus really don't know a damn thing about life. You have to be young and naïve to feel like you can escape and forego the lessons of history, and get your way by yelling and throwing things, or by laying down on a bridge like it's preschool nap time. Granted, the young are encouraged by gray-haired progressive PhD's, whose intellectual accomplishment has been putting the words "systemic racism" together without feeling one whit of guilt about failing to provide a plausible definition.

I miss the Tea Party protests, when things got REALLY out of hand and people lined up single-file to drop packets of Lipton in the Willamette river. Scandalous!

Ellison looks like he's about 35. I don't think it would occur to very many 65-year-olds to engage in an experiment of having no city police in a major city.

Fl0yd
Fl0yd

Abolish police - we got taste of that in places police didn't show up to deal with hard crime and safety issues.

Replace police+Union with just-police - Ya, bring it on.

truthseeker
truthseeker

I suggest 35 years ago policemen though certainly not perfect, were very well liked and respected in most American communities across the country. Since that time the country’s culture has become more and more decadent as we continue to reject or respect Judeo-Christian traditional values in dramatic fashion. So the point is we certainly can’t expect today’s police to behave in the exact same way they did back in 1985! America is sadly a whole different country that keeps sliding away from any kind of virtue that made us the greatest and most admired Country in history.

AussiePete
AussiePete

On May 31, Chicago recorded 18 murders, and 65,000 calls to emergency were made, largely because the word went out that police were not responding to anything. Welcome to Minneapolis in the near future... https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime

Invigilator
Invigilator

Superbly indicative news of Portugal's 3 anti-racist protest marches - that almost no lighter brown skinned Portuguese could have been involved.
Almost all marchers being darker skinned Portuguese and north Europeans as shown by the medical profession being summoned to warn against too many 'higher covid risk blacks too close together'!
Also complaining vigorously - given that the origin was anti-Police racist mistreatment of citizens elsewhere - was the Portuguese Police. Upset at the popularity of signs against the Portuguese Police. Don't wait for any change there as it is still their State!

WildBull
WildBull

When government stops protecting its territory, other governments will be formed. Vigilantes and organized crime will move in and take control. You might be tempted to say that they aren't government, but they operate in exactly the same manner.

GeorgeWP
GeorgeWP

No police. Clearly won’t work out well. No City police. Good. Two problems with US police, one is the militarism. Their role being to suppress and oppress not protect. Partly a reaction to heavily armed bad guys but also it seems like a lot of them want to play soldiers.
The 2nd issue is the 18,000 police forces. How can you maintain professional police forces with so many little fiefdoms. How can they maintain standards, training, admin, even be up to date with what the law is. The CV of the 4 officers in the Floyd killing none seemed to have had any real training. Walmart security guards recruited by a back door and presumably mates of someone.

Get rid of the City police.
One state police, one fed police. No other civilian agencies are armed except border forces.

WildBull
WildBull

Also note, that if you compare killings of black and white by police to the violent crime rates of their respective races, race based killing does not exist. The sorry truth is that blacks commit violent crimes as 7 times the rate of white. If you want to work on Black Lives Matter, help the black community to stop turning out so many angry young men. That is the sorry, heartbreaking truth. Much more terrible and difficult problem to solve.

WildBull
WildBull

There is a current meme about what black fathers have to tell their sons about police. My dad had the same talk with me over 50 years ago. I'm white. Police brutality has been a problem since the first cop who knows how many thousand years ago. All lives matter.

LegitJerry
LegitJerry

White Flight Mish loves this proposal.

JanNL
JanNL

Everybody required to join a gang.

DBG8489
DBG8489

Think about this carefully and consider the following two facts:

Fact 1: Police departments are the pinnacle of power in most towns/cities/counties/parishes/states. Why? Because they have all the government guns - and to paraphrase Mao - all political power is derived from the barrel of a gun.

Fact 2: No government anywhere is willingly going to give up what amounts to the root of their own power. It's simply not going to happen.

Given these two facts, it should be plain to see that no matter what they say, individuals in ANY level of government employ who are calling for the abolition of the police as we know them actually want no such thing.

Instead, they want control over the guns and who does the policing.

Why? Because that will give them control over a significant amount of power that as of now, they do not have.

Those of you who think that police departments will be disbanded and their swords beaten into plowshares in place of some sort of "unarmed citizen/mental health enforcement" or something are living in an alternate reality.

kenmore
kenmore

This is a very old playbook used by a fellow named Adolf. Organize the youth, establish a group of brown shirt (Antifa) goons to control decent, establish fear in the law abiding to contridict the official news propaganda, abolish the police, make the same brown shirts the new law enforcers. Full control established and Bill of Rights voided with no vore necessary.


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