How Did Masks Become this Political Dividing Line?

Mish

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine was on Meet the Press, when he faced a pair of questions on masks.

Watch Governor DeWine respond to an emotional message from North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum on wearing masks.

NBC played a clip of governor Burgum then asked DeWine a pair of questions:

  1. "How did masks become this political dividing line?" 
  2. "Do you wish the president would help you here out a little bit more?"

"The [ND] governor is right," responded DeWine. "This is not about politics. This is not about whether you are liberal or conservative, left or right, Republican or Democrat."

"We wear the mask and it has been very clear what the studies have shown. This is one time when we truly are all in this together. What we do directly impacts others."

"Our order does say that every employee in every business unless there is some reason they can't wear that mask, then every employee is wearing that mask.

DeWine ducked the question "Do you wish the president would help you here out a little bit more?"

What We Do Impacts Others

That is the critical issue and it is good to see a Republican Governor say it. 

Moreover, businesses have an obligation to protect employees and have a safe environment for customers.

Those who think it is their business and theirs along about partying in groups need to think again of their "I don't give a damn, It's my right , etc." implications when returning to work, shopping, handling groceries, and even the insurance costs imposed on others when acting foolish. 

Mish

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numike
numike

Regarding photos with all the people in the pools this memorial Coming from the land of pools - what immediately came to me was all the piss and sheeat pieces from peoples asses in those pools Any chlorination of these pools that was done is long gone with all those in the pool

njbr
njbr

It is bizarre that the self-sabotage of re-opening is embraced so heartily. You know, if you want Trump in a second term, you really should try to reduce transmission.

Masks, distancing and basic hygiene are the only way a lid can be kept on this.

By the way, Mexico City has had 8,000 excess deaths this year, with only 1800 official CV deaths.

And Trumps buddy, Duterte says....

....“I will not allow the opening of classes na dikit-dikit yung mga bata,” said Duterte in his weekly public address taped on Monday night.

[Translation: I will not allow the opening of classes where the kids will be beside each other.]

The President added it is useless to talk about the opening of new school year due to the magnitude of the virus in the country.

“Wala nang aral, laro nalang, unless I'm sure that they are really safe,” Duterte noted.

[Translation: No more classes, only play time, unless I'm sure that they are really safe.]

numike
numike

How are we preparing for the next pandemic NOW ? Whatever or whenever it appears??

njbr
njbr

Isn't there the Cow Palace in South Dakota where they could have their geezer-fest? Or perhaps Desantis should volunteer Florida in hurricane season...

...Demanding an answer on whether Republicans would be able to move forward with a fully-attended convention in August, Trump said that if North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, could not commit to the allowance, the RNC would be reluctantly forced to move the convention and "all of the jobs and economic development it brings" to another state.

While the coronavirus pandemic could make it difficult for Trump to find another state willing to hold the mass event, another clear hurdle stands in the president's way: the fact that few states wanted to host the event in the first place.

An article published by New York Magazine's Intelligencer blog laid out the GOP's struggle with the headline: "GOP Awards Its 2020 Convention to the Only City That Sorta Kinda Wanted It."

At the time, Charlotte, which had previously hosted the 2012 Democratic National Convention, had been the only city to publicly pursue the convention, while other cities, including Philadelphia, San Antonio and Nashville, backed away from the potential bid.

TimeToTest
TimeToTest

Us humans don’t learn from others mistakes.

I believe mask represent a belief that the virus is bad. Not wearing a mask is another way of saying “the virus is not bad and I will be fine”.

Another thing to remember is that people don’t change without pain. Most of the country doesn’t even know anyone that’s been infected personally. When this virus personally hurts them in some way the pain will make them change their actions. Until that point it’s business as usual.

Jojo
Jojo

We are not in this together. I vehemently disagree with everything about this virus, including how contagious it is, the need to close down businesses, asymptomatic transmission and the need for SD + masks. Given this statement, WHY should I care?

As to all the harping and attempted shaming about the need to wear masks, it is BS! There have not been any controlled, lab studies where real asymptomatic transmission has been confirmed. I found this statement in a WHO document yesterday:

Asymptomatic transmission
An asymptomatic laboratory-confirmed case is a person infected with COVID-19 who does not develop symptoms.

There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date, there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission. This does not exclude the possibility that it may occur. Asymptomatic cases have been reported as part of contact tracing efforts in some countries.

https_://_www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200402-sitrep-73-covid-19.pdf

(This URL was not being displayed on a previous posting attempt, so I added a couple of "_". Let's see if that helps to at least get the URL displayed.

magoomba
magoomba

I don't think masks are worth a darn, but when I go to the store I pull up my bandana out of courtesy for those who do.

gregggg
gregggg

The only way to make this virus less of a threat is to allow it to go through 60% of the population so that the population can develop herd immunity (unless covid 19 is different). I wonder how many lives are going to be lost due to the precautions?

Sechel
Sechel

I get it. It's about personal choice. You decide to wear a mask or not and bear the consequences. And if you're not comfortable with those around you. Stay home.

Except it's not. You're not just risking your life, your risking the lives of others. Nobody questions following stop signs and red lights and we all know if you disregard either you're not just risking your own life but the lives of others. Maybe nothing happens but then everyone is just lucky.

It doesn't help when the head of the Republican party refuses to wear a mask and he's looked up to my many Americans. You'd never see Angela Merkel, Borisn Johnson, Justin Trudeau or Emanuel Macron act in such a way. It's no question that a leader is supposed to set a good example. Not doing so signifies an inability to lead.

Tengen
Tengen

It was probably inevitable this would happen. People have been fed a lot of contradictory information and they're angry in general after decades of a successful "divide and conquer" narrative.

Freaking out about wearing a face mask seems like a really dumb hill to die on, but it is a decision people can control, unlike anything the Fed does. By now everyone has at least a dim understanding that the vast majority of people are getting screwed, even if they don't know how or why. They probably perceive the defiance of not wearing a mask as a statement when they're not sure how else to make one without ending up dead or in prison.

Of course the virus doesn't care about political statements and these people waited way, waaaaaaay too long to start caring about tyranny, but it's not too difficult to see what they're trying to do.

Sechel
Sechel

Seeing the public reaction I'm reminded of the Twilight Zone Episode , "Old Man In The Cave" I view Trump as Major French. It's a classic episode

JanNL
JanNL

All the official sources started out by saying that masks don't work. But now they should be obligatory because official sources say so.
I think the virus should be eradicated because herd immunity by infection or vaccine immunity will take forever. I think the powers that be thoroughly bungled the opportunity from January onwards.

RonJ
RonJ

"How Did Masks Become this Political Dividing Line?"

How is it a political dividing line?

At their daily briefings, mayor Garcetti and governor Newsom don't wear a mask.
Yesterday i saw a photo someone took of governor Northham taking a selfie with someone, while he was not wearing a mask. They were also not social distancing.

I am not a supporter of either three, but when i am out in public, going to the grocery store, i wear a mask. People in L.A. ran to the beaches and hiking trails over the holiday weekend. The trails in particular had social distancing issues.

One shot of a group of people playing with a ball seemed to show none were wearing a mask. Not sure what the general mask compliance was, but i couldn't tell political affiliation just by looking at the news footage.

Realist
Realist

Masks are one piece of a very large puzzle. Early on, the priority was to make sure that front line workers had proper N95 masks, to prevent contracting and spreading the virus, as they can be in close and prolonged contact with patients. The public was discouraged from using or worse, hoarding and selling these masks as they were in short supply.

Cloth masks for the public were not encouraged at first, as similar viruses are not normally as contagious as CV19 has turned out to be.

Once CV19 was discovered to be more contagious than expected, then it was advised that as many people as possible wear at least a simple cloth mask.

Sadly, the cloth mask will do little to protect you from getting infected. However it can help keep YOU from infecting others. A cloth mask, plus social distancing, can reduce the spread of the virus if You have it.

And since roughly 30% of infected people are asymptomatic, it is a good idea for as many people as possible to wear a mask and social distance.

If you want the economy to reopen and stay open, then it only makes sense to do everything you can to reduce the spread of the virus, because a big second wave of infections will frighten people back into their homes.

CCR
CCR

As with any problem, there are more wrong answers than right answers, by a wide margin. Not wearing a mask is the wrong answer.

The Hood
The Hood

Actually masks have been medically considered to be a bad idea unless you're sick. People aren't supposed to rebreath their own waste they expel when they exhale. A medical fact as reported by University of Illinois medical school. There is no science to support it as science specifically opposes the use of masks.

awc13
awc13

it became political when the experts kept flip flopping on whether the general public should wear masks. the experts first said, way into March, that wearing a mask in public is not necessary and could actually increase your chances of catching the virus (fauci, surgeon general and WHO). then in april they said to wear one, that now it would protect people. now some are saying it may be riskier because people feel safe when wearing one so they would go places and do things they wouldn't do without a mask

then i see idiots in public wearing them under their noses or they move them to the side to sneeze (no joke, saw this in home depot yesterday)

I am starting to lean towards its best to not wear them

MericanPatriot
MericanPatriot

“Stop infringing on my freedom to go pants less and shirtless, you sheep. “ imagine sounding that dumb and not knowing it.

Carl_R
Carl_R

Having seen signs all my life that said "No shoes, No shirt, No service", I see no particular difference between that and "No shoes, No shirt, No mask, No service".

ToInfinityandBeyond
ToInfinityandBeyond

It is all a hoax and a worldwide media conspiracy to make our stable genius look bad. But seriously, Even if the scientists are not 100% correct about the effectiveness of wearing a mask isn’t it still worth the effort even if it just saves a few lives? Everyone is entitled to their opinions but as I said before you can’t fix stupid.

thimk
thimk

let's tip in and see what the reverent, non political CDC says about cloth masks . (oh the really good stuff should be reserved for health care professionals) . Why the administration is not touting mask efficacy is somewhat perplexing. On a side note, it might be prudent for someone to take this time and replenish your supply of PPE. I am.

Montana33
Montana33

These governors both did a good thing.

Axiom7
Axiom7

So new CDC data shows expected 0.26% death rate, possibly 0.2% if asymptomatic cases are 50% instead of 30%.

The virus we are fighting is one of social media and stupidity.

Wearing a bandana across your face while walking outside is silly. It won't filter viruses, it forces you to rebreath all the viruses/toxins your body is trying to expel through your breath.

Wearing an N95 mask in an operating room or medical facility good idea.
The mask your mom sewed out of cloth = a joke.

Has everyone lost their minds?

Thalamus
Thalamus

Masks only protect others not person wearing it. It lowers oxygen intake, increasing stress which lowers the immune system. Masks increase your chance of getting the virus due to stress. The body builds NATURAL immunity by being exposed to the virus so living a normal life is the correct response — definitely not shut inside buildings and avoiding people.

Thalamus
Thalamus

The WHO is a corrupt UN Gates controlled organization—are you serious?

Anda
Anda

Spain political divide is becoming even more apparent. The current PM was sworn in without bible for first time, the women's day march that was openly allowed by gov took place while it is presumed to have known the possibility of contagion and was banning evangelical meetings at the time. This from a leaked judicial report in today's thread from Mathew Bennett. He also posts pension figures... maybe they changed benefit type I don't know...but from february the number claiming has dropped for first time in series, and by 51 000 , "saving government a quarter billion a year" . Total virus fatalities for Spain are listed around 27 000.

WildBull
WildBull

There are two groups of thinking about the whole thing.

1 The government can protect us from the virus by suspending our rights for the next year ( if we are lucky and a vaccine appears ). If this is true, all this may be worth it. MASKS.

2 This will be over when herd immunity stops it. We can either get it over with and save something of our social institutions and economy, or we can fart around at an "acceptable???" death rate and get to the same point years from now. NO MASKS.

If your fate is death by fire, do you want to be thrown in, or have someone start at your toes with a blow torch?

I can support either a REAL effort to wipe it out, or letting it run its course. The present course just preserves the ability of the MSM to spread fear and panic with no end in sight and continued economic and social destruction. This course of action is also a Marxist's wet dream with enormous damage to the family structure, religious institutions, and small business as a start. How many years can it remain an "emergency?"

aqualech
aqualech

For those who need to be reminded of the non-lethality of covid-19, and to support those who rightfully ask who the masks are protecting and from what:

Hiking Light
Hiking Light

Mish, Drs. Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein did an excellent podcast on this very question. I believe it was the 9th episode of the Darkhorse Podcast. You seem to be very much like both of them.

astroboy
astroboy

I wouldn't argue that masks are a political dividing line, although 'fashion statement" is not a factor to be ignored either. I live in northern VA, 10 miles from the White House, and about 1/3rd of people in the local grocery stores don't wear masks, that's about the same fractions as workers in the stores.

I was in MD a few miles outside the DC line this weekend, and caught alot of dirty looks for not wearing a mask, also, I committed the mortal sin of pushing the siliver buggy in the wrong direction against the one-way markers on the aisles. They don't exist in NoVa and I frankly didn't notice them, so I guess said, "Oops, sorry (Like I give a shit, nimrods)".

So, that's what a difference of six miles, going from one state to another makes...

I do cancer research sort of as a hobby so I get all the articles on covid emailed to me directly, whether I ask for them or not. It's not clear that masks do any good, and might do actual harm. Having said that, before someone calls me an idiot, I'll say that, yes, I could be wrong, but I'm not the only MD who has reached this opinion....

  1. In the OR, your Friendly Neighborhood Surgeon & Co. wear masks, not for filtration, but to avoid one's breath going directly into the wound.

  2. Viruses are really small. Filters good enough to isolate them didn't exist until the 1960s, to give you an idea. A mask is not going to filter viruses or bacteria very well at all,

  3. But, they will do a fair job of filtering droplets from sneezes and coughs that contain the germs. The problem is:

  4. Once that stuff has been caught by the mask, you're re-inhaling it, thousands and thousands of times. That equals re-infection, unless you're changing your mask quite frequently. (It's not really well understood, but the size of droplets has a big effect on whether they just get inhaled and exhaled with no harm done, or get caught in your nose(usually not a big deal), or end up snagged deep in your lungs (problem) ).

  5. So, a mask probably helps some in your not spreading the germs to other people, although I suspect unless your coughing in someone's face the effect is likely minimal.

  6. However, once your mask has snagged germs, from something you've inhaled yourself or droplets from someone else who coughed near you, you're re-infecting yourself. Once those germs are multiplying in your system, you're a spreader, and probably going to get sick yourself.

I've read scientific publications not generally accessible to the public unless you know where to dig the journals up, and I haven't read a single thing that makes a really solid case that masks do any net good. Again, I'm not talking about an OR situation where it's a confined space and everything is discarded after one use. I'm talking about the local grocery store and a mask that's reused many times.

I personally have decided that not to use a mask. I think that's best for me and others around me. If I was to go into a nursing home, or any place with close quarters, etc., then like in an OR a mask is a good idea.

This whole thing is a case where the science is overlooked in the interests of infotainment, or half assed political agendas, if you ask me. Just my opinion, but I think it's based on solid analysis....

stephanbraun
stephanbraun

Great

stephanbraun
stephanbraun

Great

WildBull
WildBull

Has anyone seen a reference to the CDC study posted 5 entries above this one on the MSM TV news? This is real news based on science. We're going with the science, aren't we? This study shows Covid-19 to be less than one tenth as deadly as the WHO estimated. Huge news. I have not seen a single report about it. Though, last night ABC news did show us grave diggers in Brazil. Screw the MSM and the Masks. First masks don't work, now they do. Spread by contact, not by contact. Fauci says don't worry, be happy at the end of January, then lights our hair on fire in March. He effing knew better. The WHO said the US was overreacting to cut air travel with China. They were covering for China. They effing knew better. Blah, Blah, Blah. Tired of the bullshit. There are ulterior motives in this and the world is suffering for them. It would be nice to know who and why.

ToInfinityandBeyond
ToInfinityandBeyond

There is no doubt that corona virus deaths are significantly under counted not just in the US but globally. There is a lot of misinformation being circulated in this country. You might want to read the BBC news article available via the below link. The BBC’s charter mandates that it provide unbiased news reporting. Something that is sadly not readily accessible in this country.

Jdog1
Jdog1

This virus is like an IQ test that many people are badly failing. It is a simple question of public health. While masks do provide some degree of protection for the user, their main purpose is to stop the wearer from infecting others. Wearing a mask shows you are responsible and care about what happens to other people. Not wearing a mask shows you do not care about your self or any one else. Being stupid and self centered are not exactly admirable traits...

debracarter
debracarter

United we stand. Divided we fall! This difference of opinion, is our God given right, but, as to dividing families, where are belief's are different, has split people apart, family, or . . Mask wear it not, go outside or not, visitors, stay in hotels, eating @ restaurant, conspiracy conversations, gvmts controls. I read so many different news apps. If we could all just be on the same page for once! & Have respect for other people's personal space!