"Gold Price To Suffer a Tremendous Drop" says Goldman Sachs: Mish Says "This Is a Buy Signal"


It frequently pays to treat Goldman Sachs as a contrarian indicator. This is another one of those times.

Kitco reports Gold Price To Suffer a Tremendous Drop Says Goldman Sachs.

In a report Monday, Goldman Sachs technical analysts, Sheba Jafari and Jack Abramovitz said that they see gold prices falling to $1,100 an ounce after the market was unable to test key resistance around $1,380 an ounce, which they noted represented a key level from the 2011 high to the 2016 lows.

"If true, it’s on track to forming another three wave decline which at very least comes close to testing the previous lows from Dec. ’16 at 1,123," the analysts said. "It could extend as far as 1,105; but shouldn’t run much further than there (given the corrective nature of the setup)."

In the current technical environment, the analysts said that gold could eventually retest support around $1,100 an ounce, however, they said that they expect that support to hold.

Goldman Sachs has been fairly bearish on gold, even as prices pushed to a one-year high last month. In a September report, the investment bank maintained its outlook that gold prices will end the year at $1.250 an ounce.

The bank’s reasons for being bearish gold is that it expects the U.S. dollar to shake off recent weakness. Monday, the U.S. dollar index continued to hold near a 10-week high Monday as expectations for a December rate hike rise significantly.

Goldman Doesn't Understand Gold

Goldman Sachs' superficial comments prove they do not understand gold.

Gold is not a play on the dollar or rising or falling interest rates. Gold fell from 850 to 250 with inflation (and interest rates falling) every step of the way.

More recently, gold started rising just as the Fed began hiking. In 2005, gold rose with the US dollar.

Gold Does Well in These Environments

  1. Deflation
  2. Hyperinflation
  3. Stagflation
  4. Decreasing faith that central banks have everything under control.
  5. Rising credit stress and fear of defaults

Gold Does Poorly in These Environments

  1. Disinflation (1980 to 2000 is a perfect example. There was inflation every step of the way but gold got clobbered).
  2. Increasing faith in central banks’ ability to keep things under control (Mario Draghi’s “Whatever it takes” speech triggered a prime example)

Gold does worst in prolonged disinflation and in periods that have rising faith in central banks.

I suppose one could condense this all down to increasing or decreasing faith that central banks to have everything under control. Alternatively one might think of periods of rising or abating credit stress.

Gold vs. Faith in Central Banks

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Comments (9)
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Clearly, Vlad doesn't follow the Squid's investment advice.


$1380 to 1100 a "Tremendous drop" for something neither of those guys (nor anyone else) have the most rudimentary tools for evaluating the proper price of to begin with...... It was $250 in 2000, $40 when Nixon sold the last remnants of America out less than 50 years ago.... Makes about as much sense as calling a drop in the price of Botcoin from $5000 to $4500 "tremendous." And to $4000 "catastrophic...." But I guess that's just par for the course for someone who have spent their entire life and career worrying, or at least trying to make others worry, about imaginary hobgoblins they need governments,central banks and "financial systems" to pjotekt them from.....


Whenever someone like Goldman uses the word "wave" in an analysis I tend to discount what they say.


I Googled "goldman-sachs" gold and no major news publication was carrying the 'story'. Kitco is has a great site for metals and I look at the gold price every morning on my Kitco smart phone app. But Kitco is not journalism. We'll have see when this gets into real (fake) news.


Although they listed factors such as the dollar, the price call was based on technicals. They are saying "it couldn't even reach resistance and we therefore expect it to fall to support." I use technicals in this biz and would not state that. The run to 1362 put gold in a very overbought condition that it "needed" to work off. I shorted it with DTO because of that overbought condition and have covered during the decline as there is no reason why it has to go all the way back to support. It is just as likely it is working off the overbought condition and could rise to the 1380 resistance level when weaker longs have been shaken out. Also, they appear to be using EWT, a technique I don't hold in high esteem. About the only thing I agree with regarding EWT is that the market moves in waves, but that is a "duh" type of statement. Of course the market moves in waves - it goes up, then it goes down, then back up again. Other than flatline, which it does not do, it can't do anything else. I stop when they believe they can predict the waves ahead of time. If the targets are not met and the market does something else they will have "had the wave count wrong." Yet another "duh" statement. Once all the data is in the wave counts are obvious. But good luck predicting them a priori.


BUY GOLD at $800. I swear it won't go lower. Unless the parabolic stock market rally gives up soon more worthless relics will be converted into self appreciating paper securities. and should the market rally give it up, selling in the GLD will probably be the tail that wags the dog. My salient point is this, should the price of gold fall very much there will be none. So what happens when the managers of GLD cannot get their rehypothecating hands on some thrice passed along gold ownership certificates? They'll close up shop probably, and what will that do? It means that even if spot is worth 10K (on paper) the GLD cannot get any of it. oh oh. they could become a closed end fund, but what are the chances of that?


Mish I accidentally just deleted an hour's worth of spectacular comments! Well with all the debt, leveraged assets and derivatives in the world, a decaying culture with weak leadership and corruption in both Washington and Wall Street, including dangerous geopolitical concerns, imo the fuse is lit for something that could go well beyond pessimistic expectations, tho I hope not. I wonder if all these people who brag about how much their wealth has increased in the past 8 years understand that if a financial crisis becomes a real panic, central bankers around the world will respond with their plunge protection teams to provide liquidity just as in the past. However "what if this time is different?" After markets around the world all close early Friday as they are all down the limit, in a real panic, markets simply can't open as there r no bids on Monday. Banks remain closed. Day after day markets try to open but there is absolutely no liquidity. It's at this point someone notices that some commodity markets have opened with huge losses as traders miss margin calls. Banks stay closed. How all this all plays out I haven't a clue. But at some point traders will notice that gold is no longer for sale at any price in any currency. Food, guns and cash may b the only other items that have good value.


Obviously if central bankers around the world begin to print trillions each day in their own currencies to do whatever it takes to provide liquidity to equities and to get the banks open, bond markets will collapse and then all hell will break loose as supermarkets are stripped and Marshall law takes affect.


There is no such thing as "Goldman Sachs". Instead there are multiple research analysts and/or trading desks that publish notes and/or make comments about equities, commodities, markets, economies, etc., all working under the banner "Goldman Sachs". There is no "house view" on anything.

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