Georgia's Covid Improvement was a Big Lie by the Governor

Mish

Governor Kemp used manipulated data to reopen Georgia. It's now payback time.

Massaged Data With Dire Consequences

Georgia governor used Manipulated Data to reopen the state. The result was a Covid surge.

For six weeks, Georgia had been a model, especially for those eager to end shutdowns. Among the last U.S. states to lock down, Georgia in April was first to widely reopen, after just three weeks. Critics said the state misrepresented its data to justify the move, and they predicted disaster.

But the same week Kemp ordered the reopening, his administration began presenting data in a way that made the state appear healthier than it was, said Thomas Tsai, a professor at Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. 

The technique involved backdating new cases to the time of first symptoms or taking a test, instead of reporting them as they were reported to the state, like Georgia had previously done -- and like most states do. 

“It is deeply concerning,” Tsai said. “I cannot of course speak to the motivation.”

Kemp Gambled With People's Lives and Lost

Timing would technically be better if done at the outset. But changing the method midstream serves one purpose.

But cases rose in late June and early july in a way that manipulations could no longer hide the facts.

The Governor gambled with people's lives that things would improve and they didn't.

Atlanta Mayor Battles the Governor

Kemp's gamble is still ongoing. 

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms mandated masks. Governor Kemp said no.

Politico notes Georgia Governor Sues to Stop Atlanta Mask Mandate.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sued Thursday to stop Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms from mandating masks be worn in the city to prevent the spread of coronavirus.  The legal actions comes after prominent Democratic mayors in the state pledged to challenge an executive order by Kemp barring local mask mandates. Bottoms defiantly declared, “I am not afraid of the city being sued.”

On Wednesday, Kemp banned localities from ordering people to wear masks in public to stop the spread of coronavirus. Mayors across the state hit back at Kemp and accused him of playing politics during a pandemic.

One Business Owner Replied

Bottoms Replies

What About Florida?

Also note that Florida hospitals face ICU bed shortage as state passes 300,000 COVID-19 cases.

Reverse of Wisconsin

Events in Georgia are the reverse of Wisconsin.

In Wisconsin, cities challenged the governor who mandated lockdowns. The Wisconsin State Supreme court ruled decisions were best made at the local level.

So which is it? 

More importantly, is it a right of people to infect others or a right to enter a store and be reasonably safe from being infected by others.

Do we let everyone decide for themselves?

Political Comment

I do not know who will win the battle between Governor Kemp and Mayor Bottoms. 

But I am positive this feud is neither good for the country nor Trump's chances. 

Kemp, following Trump's lead, could easily cost Trump the state of Georgia.

Trump has badly mishandled Covid and so did the Southern states. For further discussion please see Trump is on the Short End of the Enthusiasm Gap

Mish

Comments (162)
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ToInfinityandBeyond
ToInfinityandBeyond

I have suspected for a while now that the red state governors have been obfuscating Covid metrics. Surprise, surprise I was right. More covidiots one and all.

CA2020
CA2020

I looked at Georgia data about 3 months ago and could not figure it out. All of the covid tracking sites had significantly more cases than Georgia's website was showing. I looked because they had some serious hot spots in more rural areas and it was surprising to me that they rushed to reopen. GOP Figure.

RayLopez
RayLopez

Seems then that Israeli scientist and others were right in that you need a hard lockdown for at least 30 days and more like 60 days (and I've seen six months in one study), not 3 weeks like Georgia, for Covid-19 to go down to manageable "test-and-trace" levels. In the alternative to and in addition to lockdown, you can require mandatory masks for all people (you need masks on both infected and non-infected, since masks on just infected are not enough to stop the spread). This is what science says, but some of the ignorant folk in GA think you can outlaw the laws of physics.

Breaking news: the Georgia governor just outlawed gravity...to the moon Alice!

Jojo
Jojo

Just one example, likely of many.

Jack Dake Didn't Die from COVID, But the Government Says He Did
Larry O'Connor
Posted: Jul 16, 2020 12:50 PM

https://townhall.com/columnists/larryoconnor/2020/07/16/jack-dake-didnt-die-from-covid-but-the-government-says-he-did-n2572614
Jojo
Jojo

I'm lucky to live in one of the TWO counties i the state of CA that have not been told to re-close by our bleeding heart Governor Newsom. Therefore, I can go to the gym and work out and get to talk to more people about what they are seeing re: the virus.

Interestingly, with all of the people in my network (close to 200), I have heard of only ONE person (whom I did not know, a 4th degree contact) who got CV19, suffered for a couple of days and has since recovered. I and everyone I know, do not know anyone else who got sick or died of the virus!

And the mask wearing/SD in my area is maybe 50%.

Which is why I have been and remain a virus skeptic and believe that the panic and fear of CV19 is stoked by the media and all out of proportion to reality.

JCPatriot
JCPatriot

Too bad that California, which has been under some sort of lockdown more than most states, destroys the argument calling for more of the same. And the cloth masks are absolutely worthless, so any mandate that doesn't specify the quality of the mask, including it's filtration specs and a proper fitting, are also just as useless. Of the other states, New York and Illinois, two bastions of the "it's Trump's fault crowd" are only rivaled by Louisiana in having the worst outcomes so far. Last time I checked, nobody in CA, NY or Il is going to follow anything Trump woulda/shoulda/coulda recommended.

And if Trump did everything wrong, please list what steps he should have done that actually fall within his Constitutional powers (you know, for the good of the country that you're so desperately wanting to save). Wear a useless mask? Mandate that nursing homes accept infected virus patients like the idiot NY governor? Lock down the safer outdoor venues like beaches like the moron governor of CA?

Or just keep banning religious services but allowing protests and riots = utter stupidity.

ZZR600
ZZR600

Https://whatsnew2day.com/britain-could-already-have-some-herd-immunity-against-the-coronavirus/

Lockdowns if anything are slowing down herd immunity, especially in the young, meaning they don't acquire immunity that protects them as the grow older

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

Re-enforces the argument that the GOP is the second part of the problem beyond Trump and the covidiots need to lose the senate as well as the white house. There will be no economic growth as long as this virus is running amok and that should be the #1 priority - not confederate flags, not tweets, not goya, or any other of trumps shit.

ToInfinityandBeyond
ToInfinityandBeyond

I see this story has brought our covidiots out in force this morning. Denial will not make the virus go away and won’t help the Trumpster. He is headed for the dumpster.

Realist
Realist

Odd that Governor Kemp sued Bottoms personally and not the other Georgia mayors that issued similar orders. Oh wait; the mayor is female, black, a democrat, and a possible candidate for Vice President. Oh and he did it the day after a visit from Trump. The term ass-kissing coward comes to mind.

The chart posted by Eric Feigl-Ding was illuminating. It shows the spread in Florida among all age groups, young and old. That puts the lie to ”open the schools; kids don’t catch it”.

I see there is a shortage of Remdesivir in Florida, two days after DeSantis rejected New Yorks offer to send some.

Incidentally, 85 infants under age 1 got infected in just one Texas county.

And Texas has ordered more body bags and 14 more refrigeration trucks for the dead that are piling up. I guess the first 8 trucks are filling up.

I see that the usual virus deniers are posting their standard denials. Such as: I don’t know anyone who has it. Some countries have reached or could have reached herd immunity, etc. They remind me of the flat earth people. Completely oblivious to reality. They would deny the problem even if they had the virus and were intubated.

And finally:

Whatever happened to US patriotism? It used to be that Americans would go fight and lay down their lives to protect their fellow citizens. Now they can't even wear a mask and stand 6 feet apart to protect each other. How sad is that.

Anda
Anda

It looks like a page out of what has occurred and is occuring in Spain. What you are all missing in my opinion is that in Spain it is a left wing government. That is to say that while people try to reduce it to political leaning, in fact it is more based on wider interest and approach, be it economic or popularity or even simple incompetence. Anyone can take their pick of best approach, the arguments are myriad, but clear data presentation should be demanded by all. Only transparency allows people to see through any corruption that might occur, allowing people to make informed decisions. That everyone will still argue is besides the point, at least it will be over relevant questions, so pushing for better information.

Also, Spain did a full long lockdown, and is roughly back at where it was in number of cases now just before that lockdown, and only a couple of weeks after easing restrictions, as infections increase rapidly.

KansasDog
KansasDog

I was just fuming last night reading Kemp and his flying monkey gop mates comments made around 3 months ago. Kemp was this is all BS, we only have 20,000 cases we're reopening. Now look how many they have and he's still at it! Can't they countersue him for negligence among other things? One of his republican buddies said "there are more important things than living" in ref to saving the economy at the expense of middle age and old people. As if young people don't get it. I totally don't understand this group of bible thumping clowns.

Here in Kansas the governor is trying to delay school to after labor day(which I have no idea what a few weeks will make I think it's a baby step to keep it shut) but she has the bible brigrade underneath her trying to block it and want schools reopened at full capacity on time. Now just how the hell are you supposed to social distance? And no mention of online learning. That's nice, get all these young people infected which means the rest of us are going to get it for sure. Kansas is one of the 18 states recently advised to rollback reopening because of exploding cases. We're like Georgia was a few months ago with republicans full in on reopening. Of course, being a mostly republican state many people aren't obeying the mask laws in places especially the small towns. As if these people don't venture to larger metro areas.

I want Trump and parts of the gov't in a massive lawsuit over this: They shut us down, millions lost jobs, millions wont be coming back, now covid is exploding and after they handed out billions to corporations all the republican talk is no more unemployment, get your ass off the couch get a job. The outfit I worked at was decimated and made the decision to ax all shifts except 1st and I was a suprervisor on 2nd for the last 5 years! Poof. Gone. Now it's get off your ass get a job and I haven't found anything close to what I had before, namely because I worked my way up to in it. I want to sue these bastards straight to hell.

My grandma grew up in the great depression and she always preached when things get tough the republicans will screw you to death every single time and she was right. I'm not a huge Biden fan but no way in hell i'm voting for Trump or his cohort I dont care ill vote the looney left in for spite. They're all pretty much jokers anyway.

WildBull
WildBull

I've seen enough outright lies in the news about C19 and BLM to make me never trust a word of it again, which leaves me in a quandary.

BornInZion
BornInZion

There is so much we do not yet know about this virus.
Western civ has only been grappling with it for four months.
Our first blunder was to think that it was just another flu. We assumed that we could fight it like the last infectious disease. We clung to that hopeful fantasy for far too long.
A corona virus vaccine has never been successful for humans. (One vaccine has good results for horses.) Yet we cling to a widespread fantasy that it will be different this time. We assume that antibodies will persist like they do for measles and many other viral pathogens, but now we have growing evidence that antibody persistence is not always the case. Is everyone who recovers going to lose antibody immunity, or just some? What is the percentage breakdown if the latter is true? We don't yet know. (Most cases are less than four months old, so we really don't have ANY long-term data.) Is "herd immunity" even possible?
We are now realizing that even "mild" cases can have severe and probably permanent damage to the lungs, heart and kidneys. Why do some have really bad cases and other not so much? We don't know. Why do many folks lose their sense of taste and smell, and is that permanent? We don't know.
What we do know: Covid 19 is highly infectious and you really don't want to catch it no matter what age group you are in.

ToInfinityandBeyond
ToInfinityandBeyond

All you Trump libertarians should be up in arms about this .....

“The US Attorney for the Oregon District on Friday requested an investigation into masked, camouflaged federal authorities without identification badges who are arresting protesters in Portland.”

Your silence is deafening.

Webej
Webej

Mish seems wedded to the covidiot view that the virus is like a faucet, which the government can turn on or off with mask mandates, resulting in a 1:1 correlation in resulting statistics. The only thing the statistics show is that are a lot of confounding variables and that epidemic dynamics are rather more difficult to understand than most people can tolerate.

numike
numike

Unfortunately, the truth is that we have only a rudimentary knowledge of several aspects of infection spread, including on one critical aspect of the SARS-CoV-2 virus: how THIS virus transmits

Worth reading in full:

tokidoki
tokidoki

It's been 6 months already and I am just amused that some people are still thinking: "American white people are so superior, we just can't get this shit".

No doubt, someone will say: "literally nobody says that". Well when you dismiss the experience of other countries, you kinda are.

Jojo
Jojo

For all you face mask proponents:

Coronavirus
Face Masks Mandated by UK Government Specifically Say They Don’t Protect Against COVID-19
“Anything other than tight-fitting, surgical-grade masks are utterly pointless.”
15 July, 2020

https://summit.news/2020/07/15/face-masks-mandated-by-uk-government-specifically-say-they-dont-protect-against-covid-19/
Jojo
Jojo

This is a great read! Especially the sections comparing present day CV19 responses to "The Great Plague of Milan, 1629 to 1631". Humans never change and that should be a lesson for everyone.

Technocrats Should Observe the Hippocratic Oath
Peter C. EarlePeter C. Earle
– July 18, 2020

In some states, the lockdown reopenings are being reversed. We are seeing a new round of state versus state blame-mongering and recriminations. The new benchmark for normalcy to return is January 2021. Why that date? As with many benchmarks over these months, it’s completely made up.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Texas is also at risk for Republicans. My brother in law is a doctor in south Texas and yesterday there was a code every hour at the hospital he works at. They are borrowing ventilators from the NICU for the regular ICU but they ran out. The longer the governor of Texas doesnt shut everything down the more deaths there will be in Texas.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant

Avoid people as best you can.

Anda
Anda

Anyone know what to make of this chart? Another one of those polemic pieces.

debracarter
debracarter

The western continent (Asian)
is " living their lives" as they always do. They've been wearing masks since birth. They don't protest in the streets, yipping about the virus, nor, are their numbers at a huge loss, with the same # deaths 4634, etched in my brain, per John Hopkins, @ Bloomberg, or NY times, that's posting the daily charts. If, people would only follow suit.

AshH
AshH

The simple explanation is that Trump owns Kemp. Trump was accused of violating Atlanta law for not wearing a mask at the airport, so Kemp sues Atlanta to nullify the law. Problem solved.

BaronAsh
BaronAsh

A little perspective (USA):

Montana33
Montana33

I didn’t realize he manipulated data. How could he think this would end well? He is responsible for these additional deaths and the thousands more to come.

Dodge Demon
Dodge Demon

Wow! I’m afraid the only solution is for the all the states to go their separate ways.

Aborigine
Aborigine

To think 28 DEATHS IN GEORIA when NY only had 17.
of Course Georgia 295 / million While NY 1672/Millon

So we are upset because KEMP is not murdering old people like Cuomo?

iBlogger
iBlogger

The devastation wrought by the discovery of the notorious #Covid-19 virus makes clear that the development of a vaccine against this deadly virus is imperative. However, it also raises important questions about how the world should respond to the threat of the world’s most deadly virus. Should the world take action now or wait until the threat has subsided?

JCPatriot
JCPatriot

Is it true that Fauci was caught not wearing a mask in public in close proximity to others? But I thought he was just an apolitical scientist following the data? Or is it possible that he has been imperfect and playing some political games as well? "Trust the experts" will always get you less than what you thought (they are human, too).


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