Is Anyone Else Fed Up With Dr. Fauci's Forever Moving Goalposts?

Mish

Despite vaccines and a falling number of cases Dr. Fauci keeps moving the goalposts.

Not Yet, When?

Dr. Facuci says Vaccinated People Shouldn't Dine Indoors or Go to the Theater Quite Yet.

"There are things, even if you're vaccinated, that you're not going to be able to do in society," Fauci said on Monday during a White House COVID-19 press briefing. "For example, indoor dining, theaters, places where people congregate. That's because of the safety of society."

Though vaccines can help prevent people from contracting severe cases of COVID-19, the jabs may not stop them from getting sick altogether. It's also still unclear whether vaccinated people can be disease carriers, meaning they might spread illness to unvaccinated people in a community where vaccination is far from universal, prolonging the pandemic.

"We hope that when the data comes in, it's going to show that the virus level is quite low and you're not transmitting it," Fauci said, cautioning: "We don't know that now. And for that reason, we want to make sure that people continue to wear masks despite the fact that they're vaccinated." Early signs are looking promising that vaccinated people may not spread the virus well, but it's still too soon to say for sure.

I understand wearing masks. I understand avoiding groups and parties. But enough already. 

Double masking and telling people not to eat out even after they have been vaccinated is too much to take. 

The teachers' unions will pick up on this and play it for all it's worth.

Addendum

I was asked about my brief teachers' union comment above. I will explain in detail in just a bit in another post. 

Meanwhile, please note Fauci falls silent following New York nursing home scandal after repeatedly praising Cuomo response.

Mish

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Zardoz
Zardoz

Epidemiology is obviously not your forte.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Did Mish go to medical school and study epidemiology and infectious diseases ?

Doug78
Doug78

The point of getting vaccinated is to be able to lead a normal life. If cases, hospitalisations and deaths continue to decline then at a certain point people will no longer see the use of masks and such. Fauci is just doing a bit of PR at this point in the pandemic to push that time down the road.

njbr
njbr

Science evolves....

....Global case decline has reversed—#COVID19 is once again surging overall worldwide / no longer dropping. Especially in Europe where the more contagious #B117 variant is driving faster spread & helping launch another wave....

....Ontario is starting to see the numbers reverse again, two weeks after the Premier started rolling back the restrictions in areas that still had high rates of infection....

...The caseload has increased everyday in the US this week. So have the deaths even though that's a trailing number...

njbr
njbr

We can be tired of the virus, but the virus doesn't get tired of us.

HiFiber
HiFiber

Future waves of coronvirus exposure are going to happen irrespective of masks, distancing, and lockdowns. The antibody dependent enhancement reactions among the vaccinated will be devastating. Why Fauci, CDC, FDA suppressed cheap, safe and effective generic off-label treatments is a mystery demanding investigation.

njbr
njbr

Israel's decline in coronavirus infection rates in recent weeks is slowing as concerns mount ahead of the Purim holiday and two and a half weeks after the country exited its third lockdown.

The Health Ministry has recorded a rise in the COVID-19 infection rate known as the R number – the average number of people each coronavirus carrier infects – from 0.83 to 0.9 in the past two days.

If this slight uptick in the spread of infection continues at the same pace, within days the R factor will rise above 1 which would mean that the infection rate is increasing rather than slowing down.

After a decline in the spread of the disease in the past week to 3,500 new cases a day, that number jumped to 4,389 new cases on Tuesday, with 6.1% of 74,000 testing positive for the virus. The increase began about two weeks after preschools and lower grades reopened in areas where the rate of infection was lowest, and a few days after the second stage of reopening began with more children back in school and shops reopening.

The rise in the infection rate was expected following the lockdown exit, which raises exposure to the virus. The spread of the British and South African variants and that children under 16 aren’t yet vaccinated has refocused the attention of health professionals on the education system.

However, it appears that the source of the rise in infections is not the school system. The data points to a decline in the infection rate among those 18 and under, through children in this age group are still a significant factor in the spread of the virus.

Due to the high immunization rate among the adult population, the composition of those infected and critically ill has changed in recent weeks. Children and adolescents aged 0 to 19 constitute more than 43 percent of all new patients, and those aged 20 to 39 constitute 35 percent of them.

One of the current goals of the ongoing vaccination campaign is to inoculate more young people. The vaccination rate is 44 percent among those aged 16 to 18, 56 percent for those aged 20 to 29 and 64 percent among those aged 30 to 39, which is significantly lower than older demographics.

Arab communities have also contributed to the rise in the infection rate, as their rate of inoculation is significantly lower than that of the entire country as a whole. The R factor in Arab communities has already hit the 1 mark, and the number of infected is about 20 percent of the non-Arab and non-Haredi population. In the Haredi community the rate of inoculation among those 50 and over is 68 percent.

Despite restrictions and night curfews, Purim, which begins later this week, may prove to be a particularly volatile period. Health Ministry officials worry about seeing significant violations of coronavirus regulations, particularly among the haredim, whose parties may turn into large events involving mass alcohol-consumption.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

My opinion, fwiw, is that social distancing in sit-down restaurants works fairly well, just like it does in my office. Same with movies and live theater. If this were not true we have seen a lot more super-spreader events.

It isn’t great for the business models of these establishments, but it keeps them alive.

Fauci is a bureaucrat, listening to a large number of experts who don’t even all agree. He is the mouthpiece for policy, and he is trying to err on the side of caution. Is what he’s saying overkill? ....probably.

Israel opened up live theater this week. We will see how that works out. masking and social distancing still make sense to me, but not shutting down completely.

Realist
Realist

Goalposts are always moving. That's simply reality. We should not ignore reality because we don't like it.

Fauci is looking at the data and suggesting a course of action in order to save more lives and reduce rates of infection. I believe that is his job. He is not treasury secretary, or an economic development czar.

Also, he is not in charge. He does not get to decide policy. All he gets to do is to make recommendations. It is someone elses job to look at all competing recommendations (health, economic, etc) and choose an appropriate course of action.

Also, I am a bit perplexed by this statement; “The teacher's unions will pick up on this and play it for all it's worth.”

I'm not even sure what that means. It sounds like a personal vendetta against teachers, or unions, and totally out of place in this discussion.

In addition, I believe Mish also has a few moving goalposts. Such as when a currency might collapse, or when gold will soar. This shows how difficult it is to predict the future. We all have very hazy and imprecise insight into the future. But many of us try our best to tell others what the future might hold.

joemanc
joemanc

Mish - Unless I missed it, I haven't seen you mention it, but Ivermectin seems to be a solid treatment for covid(75-80% reduction in deaths). Check out the FLCCC. Chris Martenson has been all over it as well. They have lots of papers/studies on their site. One one of their webinars, they did mention that Ivermectin works on the new variants as well which was one of my concerns.

njbr
njbr

14 % of the US population have had one or more vaccine.

How many of those people are out and about in society? (Too old, too ill, generally)

Given the structure of the vaccine process it'll be a while before a meaningful portion of those who would be out and about will be vaccinated.

njbr
njbr

The knowledge evolves every day....

What we know about the 'California coronavirus'...A new strain of the coronavirus, first detected in California, may be the most virulent and deadly form of COVID-19 yet. And it's spreading internationally....

They looked at publicly available data from two clusters or lineages of COVID-19 — known as clades — and found what they call "a relatively novel strain," CAL.20C.

That strain is itself "defined by five concurrent mutations."

While other novel strains of COVID-19, such as the UK variant, B.1.1.7, have been globally significant for increased infection rates, the researchers write that "there are still no reported strains to account for the spike of cases in Los Angeles and California as a whole, which currently has some of the highest absolute and per-capita COVID transmission rates in the country."...

...L452R is a mutation in the virus' spike protein (sometimes known as the "S" protein).

A spike protein is what allows a virus to infect a human cell.

It appears that the new mutation allows the spike protein to attach more easily to a "viral receptor" on the human cell. The receptor is often described as the gateway or entry point through which a virus gets into a cell and infects it.

The L452R spike protein mutation is known to be resistant to certain monoclonal antibodies, which would otherwise stop the virus from infecting a cell.

That may have implications for patients recovering from a COVID-19 infection or even for people who have been vaccinated.

But the report authors write that the full effect of the CAL.20C mutation, both in terms of its infectiousness and antibody resistance is "unknown at this time." ....

KidHorn
KidHorn

I have little to no faith in Fauci or scientists in general when it comes to COVID. Too many statements that make no sense and decisions driven more by politics than science. I'll stick to using my own good old common sense over their suggestions.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65

I'll wear 2 masks the day I see Dr Quack recommend wearing 2 condoms. LOL.

The longer things go on, the more it's about control. Governments everywhere have noticed they are fully controlling everyones lives now and they like it (docile population). Hence there the goal posts forever move to keep that control. It's standard crisis procedure to seize control and not release it (hence why we still have the Patriot act despite zero terrorist incidents in decades now). Until people wake up and start outright disobeying and marching this covid crisis will never ever end.

Vaccines are just the last carrot to dangle in front of people with the idea of things going back to normal. If you are under age 60 the survival rate is 99.9% or so. That means only 1 person in a 1000 really needs the vaccine and only the over 60 crowd really needs it. You can bet in 4 months or so when we are mostly vaxxed and clamoring for things to be normal they will claim that the vax only lasts 6 months and we need another round so things have to stay closed till we can constantly vax. LOL.

Florida is wide open. California is not. Our cases are essentially identical theirs in terms of % of population affected/dead. Lockdowns don't really help much.

TCW
TCW

Some things, like prison, is worse than death. "Give me liberty or give me death!"

Sechel
Sechel

Is Fauci moving the goal posts o is the virus? With the virus mutating itsa new ballgame eveyone is dealing with

Jackula
Jackula

Being that the US has just started funding to sequence .4 % of the covid cases a few weeks ago at the direction of the Biden administration its best to be cautious, there is a risk of one last viscous spike from a newer variant(s). Here in LA our morgues, mortuaries, and temp dead body storage facilities are still packed, will take another month to work thru the backlog of dead people from the December - January wave here. While I'm not a Dr Fauci fan he may very well be right about another big spike in cases/deaths in the March-May time frame. In the past few days the case curve is showing signs of reversing direction. I also think it is foolish to not do what the UK did and just give everyone 1 jab of the vaccine. 92% effectiveness is good enough for now.

Rbm
Rbm

Manaus brazil went for herd immunity. Killed 5 percent of population. With. Est 70 percent infected. In second wave and is just as deadly as first. My take were on the back side of a wave and as immunity drops in 6 mos or so it will be back. Build on winter school holiday travel etc.
with that being said i think he is just stressing caution. There is a good chunk of population not vaccinated yet and if everyone gets in. The its over mind state we will see a spike.

oee
oee

Cases are rebounding. In fact, even if the cases low. It means cases are lower than 250 K still put the case near the Summer 2020, surge. thus, it is not getting better.
According to a wrong winger, in the WSJ , the cases should disappear by April...we will see.

shrpblnd
shrpblnd

If the older and vulnerable are vaccinated by spring, there is little reason to justify maintaining such severe public restrictions until everybody gets vaccinated, a process that could spill into the fall or later. By taking 50 million of the most vulnerable people out of the equation, the fatality rate will plunge, and the virus will start to resemble the seasonal flu in its effects, which we routinely endure without shutdowns.

Mish
Mish

Editor

Realist point to what goalposts I have moved? I would like to know.

When did I give a timeline on gold, on a stock market crash, or on a currency crisis? If I did it was a mistake but I do not think you can find one.

And unlike Fauci, nor do I believe you can find me changing my tune on any of that as time progressed.

If you cannot provide evidence of the above, then I expect an apology.

Feedback
Feedback

OMG,
Your readers have turned into virtue signaling fear mongers.

There are people in epidemiology that complete disagree with your shaming.

Mish is right. If anything, I disagree with his being ok with any restrictions at all. If you are so closed minded as to not see the pain and destruction the response has caused, then you are antithetical to your own virtue signaling.

The basic tenant of human life is to not harm others.
This entire pandemic response has caused irreversible damage psychologically, financially and in so many other ways affecting health outside of the virus itself that it has become self evident.

Fear, Fear, fear.

Always be afraid. And you will always bend the knee to the experts, the priest class, the masters.

It's ridiculous. This is an economic blog, and has been consistent since the days on the Art Bell show.

amigator
amigator

If we followed the Doctor we would be wearing a mask for the rest of our lives.

Jojo
Jojo

We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April
Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public about the good news.
By Marty Makary
Feb. 18, 2021 12:35 pm ET

Jojo
Jojo

Why I Believe that Covid Derangement Syndrome Is Real
Donald J. Boudreaux
– February 23, 2021

Over the past two weeks I’ve received emails urging me to tamp down my criticism of restrictions imposed in the name of fighting Covid-19. Most of the correspondents are polite, sincere, and even warm. Each, however, is convinced that I underestimate the threat that Covid poses to humanity. Each correspondent hopes that I come to take this threat much more seriously.

What follows here is part of my response to each of these correspondents. This essay isn’t meant to change their minds but, instead, to better explain why I hold the position that I do toward Covid, as well as toward the public’s and governments’ responses to Covid. For the record, I understand that different individuals have different risk preferences. I genuinely respect these differences.

Phaedrus_of_Bangkok
Phaedrus_of_Bangkok

The REAL experts are the ones who are actually successfully treating Covid - and worldwide there are more and more of them. Even in the US.

The way out of the pandemic is a combination of early treatment, rapid antigen home testing and vaccines.

Used in combination, the pandemic will be done by spring. Sadly, Fauci cannot or will not endorse anything sensible at all. Too many competing agendas and as usual ... money tends to win against reason.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

He isn't moving the goalposts. Did Fauci ever say that this would end as soon as people started getting vaccinated ? No he didn't. In every public statement I've seen he's always maintained they have to look at the data of how effective the vaccine is and how.

"We hope that when the data comes in, it's going to show that the virus level is quite low and you're not transmitting it," Fauci said, cautioning: "We don't know that now. And for that reason, we want to make sure that people continue to wear masks despite the fact that they're vaccinated." Early signs are looking promising that vaccinated people may not spread the virus well, but it's still too soon to say for sure.

Midlife Rambler
Midlife Rambler

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
Carl Sagan

Midlife Rambler
Midlife Rambler

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
Carl Sagan

OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy

There is no credibility left with Dr. Fauci or mainstream media. The flip flops are as endless as the moving goal posts, and political smears. "It's contained." "Closing borders and protecting citizens is racist." "Masks don't work." "Wear a mask." "Wear two masks." "Two weeks." "Three weeks to flatten the curve." "Anti-virals don't work." "Don't focus on anti-virals; you must get the vaccine!"

RxWynne
RxWynne

I'm not sure what you don't get about it. We're in a pandemic that is threatening to continue because of assumptions about the vaccines. Outside of the AstraZeneca, they are not vaccines. That is because they do not prevent transmission of covid. While I'm not a fan of Dr. Fauci, I agree with him and he does often state enough of the truth about the "vaccines", so-called as to appeal to a target audience.

RoadWarriorRN
RoadWarriorRN

The majority of assinine comments bereft of any critical thinking in this thread serve to reinforce my decision to get out of nursing for something less risky to MY health....truck driving. When you're sitting in the ER wondering when you're going to the OR to have your appendix/gall bladder out or your wife needs an emergency c-section...remember this thread...

marietherese
marietherese

I think it is criminal that Fauci et al are not recommending prophylactic use of vitamins D and C especially and fighting the use of Ivermectin. Per Dr. Pierre Kory, Ivermectin has been shown to prevent binding of the spike protein to the H2 receptor, therefore, preventing it from entering the cell, so it is a blocker. It also seems to slow viral replication. So, waiting until the patient is sick is too late.


Dr Been (you has a daily you tube video on Covid) and Dr Kory

-Akhenatenx-
-Akhenatenx-

2,877,000 MILLION People Die in the USA every YEAR!!!
That 2,877,000 number is from 2019 or 2020 CDC SITE Check it out!

THAT'S 7,882 thousand US Citizens Die EVERY DAY!!!

SINCE we are keeping Dr Fauci 's (AKA DR FAUSTUS)
Score on DEATHS!!

That's 328 people in the US Die EVERY Hour

Or 5 people in the USA EVERY Minute.

89% Percent of people that WEAR MASKS in PUBLIC Still Catch Covid-19!!!!

650,000 of those death are from Heart Disease from a Obese over weight US population!

WHERE are all the MASKS to stop people from over eating???

COVID-19 has about Another 100,000 Deaths to catch up to heart disease.

Last year in 2020 heart disease was double the Covid-19 deaths!

Next cause of death is Cancer 600,000 a year.

Roughly 75,000 people knock themselves off every year.

ONLY! Leftists
AND!!!
"IVE BEEN A HIDEN TILL AFTER THE ELECTION" Biden !!
DR. Fauci "Faustus"
AND! People WHO think they are Smart!

Think they can stop NATURE!


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