California Sets 6 Rules for Relaxing Stay-at-Home Order

Mish

Governor Gavin Newsom today unveiled six key conditions for when and how it will modify stay-at-home rules.

Trump can piss and moan all he wants but here are the Six Critical Indicators the State will Consider Before Modifying the Stay-at-Home Order and Other COVID-19 Interventions.

  1. The ability to monitor and protect our communities through testing, contact tracing, isolating, and supporting those who are positive or exposed;
  2. The ability to prevent infection in people who are at risk for more severe COVID-19;
  3. The ability of the hospital and health systems to handle surges;
  4. The ability to develop therapeutics to meet the demand;
  5. The ability for businesses, schools, and child care facilities to support physical distancing; and
  6. The ability to determine when to reinstitute certain measures, such as the stay-at-home orders, if necessary.

The Governor said there is not a precise timeline for modifying the stay-at-home order, but that these six indicators will serve as the framework for making that decision.

He also noted that things will look different as California makes modifications. For example, restaurants will have fewer tables and classrooms will be reconfigured.

With that announcement, Governor Newsom quietly put Trump in his place.

Western US Pact

Yesterday, Washington Governor Jay Inslee made an announcement on the Washington, Oregon and California Western States Pact.

Pennsylvania and Six Northeast States Chime In

Also note Pennsylvania One Of Seven States To Work Together On COVID-19 Plans For Reopening

Not Trump's Call

This is not Trump's call no matter how loudly he screams it.

For further discussion, please see Trump's Council to Re-Open America is a Basket of Buffoonery.

And Let's Compare Trump 2020 Comments to Nixon Comments in 1977

Taped Video Conversation

Trump: "When somebody is president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's got to be."

Reporter 1: "Total?"

Trump: "It's total. the governors know that. You have a couple of bands of Democrat governors but they will agree to it."

Reporter 2: "You said when someone is president of the United States, their authority is total. That is not true."

Trump: "You know what we are going to do. We're going to write up papers on this, it's not going to be necessary because the governors need us one way or the other."

Please play the video. Trump had a chance to walk back his Tweets and instead he doubled down with a veiled threat against states that would not comply.

Comparison

  • Trump 2020: "When somebody is president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's got to be."
  • Nixon 1977: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

One can agree or disagree with the decisions of state governors. But it is damn idiotic to believe Trump has the legal authority to issue an order requiring Californians to go back to work.

Just imagine the howls if Obama claimed he could rescind a work order made by the Texas governor.

Fox News and Republican hypocrites would be up in arms for weeks.

Meanwhile, I do wonder how long it will take to get contract tracing up and running with everyone complying with the order.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock

Comments (115)
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Jojo
Jojo

Trump gets triggered easily when anyone challenges his view of his authority. He then puffs out his chest and spews the first thing that pops into his head.

It's hard to believe that some 42% still support him but then the alternative seems to be Joe Biden for the job next year. Biden should provide plenty of jokes with what comes out of his mouth. Sad!

NewUlm
NewUlm

That is so open-ended, we may never open again. Not a single metric or data point in the release, just a bunch of political speak for saying "we don't have a clue" or "and no plan either".

Jojo
Jojo

Here's a related story:

Now It’s Obvious: The Political Class and the Media Are Spinning Tales
Phillip W. Magness
– April 14, 2020

At the outset of the coronavirus lockdowns my colleague Pete Earle penned a prescient article about the propensity of political actors to rewrite the history of the unfolding crisis in real time. Assisted by a thoroughly politicized national press corps, politicians across the spectrum were busy trying to retrofit blame for the unfolding pandemic to their own political talking points and weaponize it to justify aggressive government action.

Sadly but not unexpectedly, this real-time revisionism has only accelerated in the last month. We’ve now reached a point where reporters, public officeholders, and federal bureaucrats are now revising their own words and actions from only a few weeks prior – all while hoping that nobody will notice.
....

bradw2k
bradw2k

"3. The ability of the hospital and health systems to handle surges;"

That's the only legitimate reason to suspend liberties -- because generally individuals have the right to do what they want but they do not have the right to collapse the health care system for everybody else. (So it still comes down to preservation of liberties, IMO.)

#1 partially plays into this, as gov needs a baseline of data and knowledge to project surges. But this is far less of a factor now, as nowhere on the left coast is projected to turn into NYC, let alone Lombardy.

mkestrel
mkestrel

The president can call on the National Emergencies Act to exercise authority since the Federal has had to provide financial support for the states. Some folks here need to move on from your obsession with Trump. He is president which is far more powerful than being a governor, like it or not.

JFP_SF
JFP_SF

There won't be anything left to reopen in California if they wait for all those conditions to be met. And, the restaurants that reopen with half the capacity won't be viable anyway.

tokidoki
tokidoki

Seriously though, at the end of the day, this whole thing could have been prevented if:

  1. There's plentiful supply of masks
  2. People are responsible.

I still see it as a coordination problem. If there's a way to coordinate when people go to stores in a responsible manner, there's no reason why stores need to close.

But because the people of this country do not understand what freedom means, all of us can't have nice things, which is especially important in a pandemic.

Ebowalker
Ebowalker

How have people not figured out to not pay attention to what any politician says but watch their actions? All talk out both sides of their mouth.

CautiousObserver
CautiousObserver

Very confrontational between President Trump and press today at the task force presentation. I know he wants to defend his actions to the American people without the press spinning what he says, but the Q&A segment has been so acrimonious lately I do not see how it is helping anything. The first segment of the presentation was like an awards ceremony and the Q&A segment was like a boxing match.

I cannot watch much more of this. Something needs to change.

wootendw
wootendw

"This is not Trump's call no matter how loudly he screams it."

Yes, we know Trump doesn't have that authority, thank goodness.

Nor does a president have the authority to shut down the entire country which would be a far worse example of tyranny.

njbr
njbr

If we had a leader who listened to experts, we would have had a ramped up testing program for the virus and virus antibodies already underway.

Right now, our testing capacity remains stuck at about 140,000 per day. That's not enough to identify current cases. That delay is a function of alternating between no-one in charge, I'm in charge, I have no responsibility, I'm ending financial responsibility, the states have to do it...

He's crippling his push to re-open by this stupidity.

Knight
Knight

Have a feeling that growing economic desperation within society will trump everything. One question: who has the power to bailout? Answer: it isn’t the states. Think Trump cares about CA, OR, WA, NY, NJ? Think again.

Greggg
Greggg

Get out your bu11sh!t detectors for this one, boys and girls

Tony_CA
Tony_CA

The guidelines are ridiculous and coupled with the stunt today in New York just randomly adding 2700 deaths with no formal review is beyond the pale. Mish, we are effectively in a police state. I can give crap about the election. We have lost our country to media driven madness. The so-called dictatorship hasn't pulled we have. It never quarantined the whole country. The US is toast.

Tony_CA
Tony_CA

The vaccine is non-sense. We are not going to have one.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Singapore and South Korea are now seeing cases of people who got sick and tested positive then tested negative and went home and felt well but now are back in the hospital with a second positive test. The common cold is a coronavirus and it looks like this strain is like the common cold in that sense. This is a total disaster because it means there will be recurrent cases and the virus is mutating the way cold viruses do.

RonJ
RonJ

Zero Hedge headline: "Empire State Manufacturing Crashes Most Ever To -78, Lowest In History"

WildBull
WildBull

It's called damned if you do and damned if you don't. There are no good solutions to this until there is a treatment. No one knows what to do. How can they?

MATHGAME
MATHGAME

All the references to "herd immunity" are pure assumption given the evidence that many previously infected individuals show no anti-bodies, other people show widely varying amounts of anti-bodies, and nobody has much idea at all how effective or how long any immunity from any anti-bodies present will last or whether subsequent infections, if they occur, will be any milder or more severe than the initial infection.

So all those talking about "herd immunity" are really just saying (for now at least) let everyone get infected, or even continually re-infected, and those that die, die, and those that don't die, don't die.

Those talking up "herd immunity" are displaying so much Darwinian compassion based on so little factual information it brings a tear to the eye ...

MATHGAME
MATHGAME

I would suggest that anyone still pushing the "just another flu" or "not as bad as the flu" or any other similar foolishness check out the 2 most recent videos on Peak Prosperity that detail recent studies on a possible second means of attack of SARS-COV-2 (much like HIV) as well as recent results of post-mortem examinations of the deceased.

Montana33
Montana33

Thank goodness for governors who pay attention to what’s actually working around the world. I’m so fed up with people who liken this to the flu. The flu runs over 7 months before it kills 35,000 and does not spread nearly as fast and does not wipe out our hospitals and ICUs and slaughter large segments of our citizens in a matter of weeks. No doubt that 7 uncontrolled months of corona would kill many hundreds of thousands. How could anyone be so irresponsible to suggest that we just throw bodies in refrigerated trucks en masse? Older People and Those with health conditions and Those with kids who vape, take heed. You’d better start advocating for yourself.

El_Ted0
El_Ted0

Doesn’t the executive branch have any authority over state governments violating the Bill of Rights? Theses lockdown rules are an unambiguous violation of the first amendment right to peaceably to assemble

Gongo
Gongo

Hm.. I didn't know that ! Thanks it seems to me like you guys doing great job ! All articles I see today are connected with coronavirus somehow and that's awful ! I want to read something different.. It's nice that today you can spend some time reading some interesting stuff and stop thinking about homework (though I did it via https://edubirdie.com/assignment-writing-service ) anyway guys we need to keep on smiling, right ?


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